MELB Emirates de-icing
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Ahh yes Monty, I remember the good ol' days when the Firies would just hose away a fuel spill! Down into the drains it went...not a problem in the world.
Now, they get the sand boxes out & shovel it all up! Call that progress? Bah!
Now, they get the sand boxes out & shovel it all up! Call that progress? Bah!
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I think you will find Type 1 de-icing fluids are acceptable for use at most airports including Melbourne which is more than suitable for the CSFF and environmental icing which occurs there.
Damn good question as to why QF haven't yet purchased even the most basic of de-icing equipment to this point, pathetic mangement with little fore-sight I'd say coupled with a good dose of OH&S red tape but who am I to say?! I'm sure a few more crisp mornings with multiple delays will eventually provide the straw to break the camel's back.
In any case why is it QF responsibility to provide the "ancillary" services to other operators eg EK who choose to seek cheaper ground handling services from competing agencies (in this case Menzies and their own engineering staff) with de-icing equipment? I appreciate the co-operation between carriers for AOG situations and times of hardship but where is the line drawn? Seems to me that when the sh.t hits the fan you go crawling to QF and bag them when they can't assist!
Damn good question as to why QF haven't yet purchased even the most basic of de-icing equipment to this point, pathetic mangement with little fore-sight I'd say coupled with a good dose of OH&S red tape but who am I to say?! I'm sure a few more crisp mornings with multiple delays will eventually provide the straw to break the camel's back.
In any case why is it QF responsibility to provide the "ancillary" services to other operators eg EK who choose to seek cheaper ground handling services from competing agencies (in this case Menzies and their own engineering staff) with de-icing equipment? I appreciate the co-operation between carriers for AOG situations and times of hardship but where is the line drawn? Seems to me that when the sh.t hits the fan you go crawling to QF and bag them when they can't assist!
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The A340 arrived from AKl with 10 t of motion lotion on board. they put another 115 t ish and the wing tank fuel temp stabalised at around 10 c The outside air temp was +3 c and they had what appeared to be ice behind the rear spar, ie where the fuel could not warm the wing. How you get ice in these conditions I am not sure but I do know that no one, Eng or driver got up on the wing and had a feel. Suspect they had a layer of frost and a simple sweep with a broom would have sorted it.
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Guys it sounds like "lets slag off any airline or aircraft type we can" time again.
The simple fact is we live in this wonderful forward thinking place called Oz. In other words you can't de-ice in MEL because the EPA is worried about poluting the enviroment with aircraft being de-iced.
If it were not so, someone would have bought the equipment to do the job. Take QF's case, the cost of delays would be far greater than buying a small de-icing rig.
Funny how there would be places around the world that would have the similar enviromental concerns with de-icing, but find a safe solution in overcomming it.
The simple fact is we live in this wonderful forward thinking place called Oz. In other words you can't de-ice in MEL because the EPA is worried about poluting the enviroment with aircraft being de-iced.
If it were not so, someone would have bought the equipment to do the job. Take QF's case, the cost of delays would be far greater than buying a small de-icing rig.
Funny how there would be places around the world that would have the similar enviromental concerns with de-icing, but find a safe solution in overcomming it.
Last edited by RaTa; 14th Aug 2005 at 23:52.
