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A320 Capt $125000.00 AU, FO 60%.
Jet Star Pilots once again are going to prostitute themselves this time to fly across the Tasman.
I hope you sleep well at night after cutting NJ crews wages, now putting Jet Connect crews out of work.
Jet Star Pilots once again are going to prostitute themselves this time to fly across the Tasman.
I hope you sleep well at night after cutting NJ crews wages, now putting Jet Connect crews out of work.
And NJS & Jetconnect aren't prostitutes too?
I would doubt NJS & Jetconnect pilots would work for much more than the above.
Australian pilots have certainly taken the P out of professional pilot in the last five years- Virgin Blue, Jetconnect, Jet Star & NJS- about in that order too.
Keep up the good work.
I would doubt NJS & Jetconnect pilots would work for much more than the above.
Australian pilots have certainly taken the P out of professional pilot in the last five years- Virgin Blue, Jetconnect, Jet Star & NJS- about in that order too.
Keep up the good work.
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But Oldmeadow is wispering in thier ears:
"trust me boys, you will get all of the rest of the QF groups flying, its just a matter of time. Dixon doesnt care about the concept of piloting standards so it doesnt matter that 1/2 of you dont have a HSC, most of you have failed selection for every other airline in the world and the B717 audit was a train smash. All you have to do is to continue to agree to work for almost nothing and it will all be yours........."
"trust me boys, you will get all of the rest of the QF groups flying, its just a matter of time. Dixon doesnt care about the concept of piloting standards so it doesnt matter that 1/2 of you dont have a HSC, most of you have failed selection for every other airline in the world and the B717 audit was a train smash. All you have to do is to continue to agree to work for almost nothing and it will all be yours........."
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Its possible that Qantas started the downslide in Aussie pilot pay and conditions back when they voted in the B Scale pay - and selling out all future Qantas pilots employed AFTER themselves.
So that puts Qantas at the head of Gnads list.
So that puts Qantas at the head of Gnads list.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Gardenbug, as much as it cost ALL of the incumbents at the time, 1989 was a watershed (the words of James Strong) for pilot unity.
Everything after that was a total re-build - and pilots dragged the chain, compared with the companies.
We (pilots) have some catching up to do.
WE need ONE voice for each collective group, forming a UNION to represent to represent the THREE collective grioups -and those THREE to be APEXED as ONE, imo.
GA.
REGIONAL
AIRLINES
EACH with their own, individual, strict guidelines, leading to a STRUCTURED CAREER path, for PROFESSSIONAL PILOTS.
Tearing each other apart, from day 1, can NOT realise our INDIVIDUAL aspirations.
It will only continue to further DESTROY each of your personal hopes!
Aspire to those same standards that you hoped to reach when you started your "career" , by uniting with your fellow professionals!
Everything after that was a total re-build - and pilots dragged the chain, compared with the companies.
We (pilots) have some catching up to do.
WE need ONE voice for each collective group, forming a UNION to represent to represent the THREE collective grioups -and those THREE to be APEXED as ONE, imo.
GA.
REGIONAL
AIRLINES
EACH with their own, individual, strict guidelines, leading to a STRUCTURED CAREER path, for PROFESSSIONAL PILOTS.
Tearing each other apart, from day 1, can NOT realise our INDIVIDUAL aspirations.
It will only continue to further DESTROY each of your personal hopes!
Aspire to those same standards that you hoped to reach when you started your "career" , by uniting with your fellow professionals!
NO...NO...NO.... it started with Wazza Seymour and NJS in 1990 !
Kapn: well said, as usual.
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Expanding, you sure are an ill informed m0ron.
First of all the figure you quoted is incorrect.
Secondly, NJ pilots are the ones who undercut the Jetstar pilots to win the 717 contract in WA and good luck to them.
Third, the Jet Connect pilots were willing to accept less money than the Jetstar pilots are getting to contine across the Tasman.
Finally, what the f@rk do the Jetstar pilots have to do with any of the above decisions.The way some of you m0rons carry on about the Jetstar pilots one would think they actually had some say in the way the Qantas board makes it's decisions.
First of all the figure you quoted is incorrect.
Secondly, NJ pilots are the ones who undercut the Jetstar pilots to win the 717 contract in WA and good luck to them.
Third, the Jet Connect pilots were willing to accept less money than the Jetstar pilots are getting to contine across the Tasman.
Finally, what the f@rk do the Jetstar pilots have to do with any of the above decisions.The way some of you m0rons carry on about the Jetstar pilots one would think they actually had some say in the way the Qantas board makes it's decisions.
Basil Brush
I have stated here previously that the acceptance of B scale by QF S/O's to gain domestic positions the start of the rot. I got both sides of the coin from ppruners- the S\O's said they were sold out by former Australian Airlines pilots and the former Australian Airlines pilots stated they had no choice.
QF pilots understandably bleet at the current state of affairs but frustratingly, as an outsider, contribute significantly to the rot- very low paid 767 positions & a hypocritical contribution of professional expertise ( sic ) to Jetstar Asia.
I am happy to put QF pilots at the head of the list. Having come off second best in an EBA because of this.
Kaptain M
89 ideology is lost on me when I look at the top echelons of Virgin Blue pilot management and their contribution to contemporary conditions of service in Australia.
Captain Bloggs
In 1990 the AFAP was predominantly representing General Aviation. NJS pilots have never been far from G/A - a recent capitulation confirmation.
Keep up the good work- regionally, you've even got the Phillipino pilots sweating!
I have stated here previously that the acceptance of B scale by QF S/O's to gain domestic positions the start of the rot. I got both sides of the coin from ppruners- the S\O's said they were sold out by former Australian Airlines pilots and the former Australian Airlines pilots stated they had no choice.
QF pilots understandably bleet at the current state of affairs but frustratingly, as an outsider, contribute significantly to the rot- very low paid 767 positions & a hypocritical contribution of professional expertise ( sic ) to Jetstar Asia.
I am happy to put QF pilots at the head of the list. Having come off second best in an EBA because of this.
Kaptain M
89 ideology is lost on me when I look at the top echelons of Virgin Blue pilot management and their contribution to contemporary conditions of service in Australia.
Captain Bloggs
In 1990 the AFAP was predominantly representing General Aviation. NJS pilots have never been far from G/A - a recent capitulation confirmation.
Keep up the good work- regionally, you've even got the Phillipino pilots sweating!
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I couldn't do worse for the NJS boys than a paycut & pay for a 717 endorsement.
Though honoured, I will have to politely decline your offer.
I couldn't do worse for the NJS boys than a paycut & pay for a 717 endorsement.
Though honoured, I will have to politely decline your offer.
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Gnads.
Having lived through the B737 B scale era, I can tell you the following is true.
The B737 B-Scale was concieved, engineered, sold to QAL and implimented by an AAPA representative.
Said representative is now a very high profile AIPA COM member who, of course, denies all knowledge.
Having lived through the B737 B scale era, I can tell you the following is true.
The B737 B-Scale was concieved, engineered, sold to QAL and implimented by an AAPA representative.
Said representative is now a very high profile AIPA COM member who, of course, denies all knowledge.
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I don't think we're seeing the full picture...
The quoted figures do seem a little light considering that currently J* earn AUD132870 with super - NOW!! Plus hourly rates after 75/month; at 900hrs a year that's about AUD180000. So as I understand it this figure is higher than Natjet/Jetconnect.
Don't blame the Jetconnect pilots nor the Natjet pilots (or for that matter the VB pilots), I'm sure they would welcome the same conditions as the old established carriers - but for them it pays more than GA and heaps more than unemployment benefits!
The quoted figures do seem a little light considering that currently J* earn AUD132870 with super - NOW!! Plus hourly rates after 75/month; at 900hrs a year that's about AUD180000. So as I understand it this figure is higher than Natjet/Jetconnect.
Don't blame the Jetconnect pilots nor the Natjet pilots (or for that matter the VB pilots), I'm sure they would welcome the same conditions as the old established carriers - but for them it pays more than GA and heaps more than unemployment benefits!
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Rescue 1, you are wrong. The figure you quote will be an A320 Capt wage in two years time. FO 60% of that. Overtime is not a given I heard no overtime for the next 12 mounths.
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Rescue 1, you are wrong. The figure you quote will be an A320 Capt wage in two years time. FO 60% of that. Overtime is not a given I heard no overtime for the next 12 mounths.
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Bloggs, gotta tell you old pal, gnadenberg , is spot on. AFAP were representing GA at that time and Seymour knew it. No other airline work around at the time, so take it or leave it.
Wazza and NJS started the rot and I won't hear of anything else !
Wazza and NJS started the rot and I won't hear of anything else !
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“Australian pilots have certainly taken the P out of professional pilot in the last five years- Virgin Blue, Jetconnect, Jet Star & NJS- about in that order too.”
And yet the Airline industry in Australia continues to be the safest in the world despite a lack of professionalism. Amazing.
“Its possible that Qantas started the downslide / Let's all remember that this started with Impulse / NO...NO...NO.... it started with Wazza Seymour and NJS in 1990 ! / Jet Connect pilots were willing to accept less money than the Jetstar pilots are getting”
PPrune has seen some very naive debates before but this one takes the cake. Change in any industry is inevitable, especially one emerging from labor protected regulation that was the magnificent two airline policy.
To blame a radical re-drawing of the airline industry (all occupations, not just pilots) on a group of people as insignificant as “Impulse pilots” is to demonstrate a total lack of understanding of how business and government are adjusting to a new set of rules - global finance, deregulation, industry downturn, changing customer expectations, competition, government policy.
Any yet Australia is still a very lucrative place to be an airline pilot in comparison.
And yet the Airline industry in Australia continues to be the safest in the world despite a lack of professionalism. Amazing.
“Its possible that Qantas started the downslide / Let's all remember that this started with Impulse / NO...NO...NO.... it started with Wazza Seymour and NJS in 1990 ! / Jet Connect pilots were willing to accept less money than the Jetstar pilots are getting”
PPrune has seen some very naive debates before but this one takes the cake. Change in any industry is inevitable, especially one emerging from labor protected regulation that was the magnificent two airline policy.
To blame a radical re-drawing of the airline industry (all occupations, not just pilots) on a group of people as insignificant as “Impulse pilots” is to demonstrate a total lack of understanding of how business and government are adjusting to a new set of rules - global finance, deregulation, industry downturn, changing customer expectations, competition, government policy.
Any yet Australia is still a very lucrative place to be an airline pilot in comparison.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Australia is still a very lucrative place to be an airline pilot in comparison.
Airline pilots' salaries in Oz, in comparison with cost of living expenses don't appear "very lucrative" when compared with salaries of pilots in other many countries, imho.
eg. pilots in Viet Nam, India, and China, are on MUCH higher salaries than most Australian airline pilots, but have MUCH lower cost of living expenses, leaving a vastly higher final disposable amount.