QF interest in SYD-LON 777-200LR
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QF interest in SYD-LON 777-200LR
July 12, 2005 (Flight International) - Australian flag carrier renews interest in Boeing airliner’s potential for achieving non-stop ultra-long-haul flights
Australia’s Qantas Airways is showing renewed interest in the Boeing 777-200LR as the US manufacturer edges closer to offering an “economic payload” on potential ultra-long-haul services from Sydney.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said at the UK Aviation Club in London last week: “While we ordered the [Airbus] A380, we’re also looking very seriously at the 777LR, and, if Boeing gets its maths right, it could be what we call our ‘hub-buster’ strategy.”
Dixon says that, although the A380 is required to boost capacity at slot-constrained airports, non-stop flights from Sydney to London remain the “holy grail”, enabling it to avoid stopping in hubs such as Singapore or Bangkok. He says Boeing is “now not too far from getting an economic payload into London”.
The still-air distance from Sydney to London Heathrow is 17,000km (9,190nm), but allowances for headwinds and minimum fuel reserves require a range of 17,600km. At a stop on the 777-200LR’s world tour at London Gatwick last week, Boeing officials said the aircraft’s official range had been extended to 17,400km, or about 19h based on 301 passengers and with three auxiliary tanks. Brad Till, regional director product marketing at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, says 500h of testing has shown its range is “a few hundred nautical miles more than expected”.
Boeing saw similar gains with the 777-300ER, which was originally expected to fly 13,300km, but achieved 14,700km due to an increased take-off weight, better-than-expected fuel consumption in cruise and a package of drag- reduction, engine-performance and weight-reduction enhancements (Flight International, 25 January–1 February).
But Till warns: “We’re still a little bit short of Sydney to London, even with this aircraft.” He says the route is one of a few specific customer demands that are “beyond the reasonable”.
Qantas is also interested in using the aircraft for direct services to New York Kennedy airport – a flying distance of 16,000km from Sydney, says Dixon.
He says the -200LR must be able to operate to London without a payload penalty: “For us it’s not a trade-off of passengers for range. We are an airline that needs to make money – we don’t do loss-leading flights.”
Boeing says it will attempt a record-breaking 24h flight with the -200LR in September.
Australia’s Qantas Airways is showing renewed interest in the Boeing 777-200LR as the US manufacturer edges closer to offering an “economic payload” on potential ultra-long-haul services from Sydney.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said at the UK Aviation Club in London last week: “While we ordered the [Airbus] A380, we’re also looking very seriously at the 777LR, and, if Boeing gets its maths right, it could be what we call our ‘hub-buster’ strategy.”
Dixon says that, although the A380 is required to boost capacity at slot-constrained airports, non-stop flights from Sydney to London remain the “holy grail”, enabling it to avoid stopping in hubs such as Singapore or Bangkok. He says Boeing is “now not too far from getting an economic payload into London”.
The still-air distance from Sydney to London Heathrow is 17,000km (9,190nm), but allowances for headwinds and minimum fuel reserves require a range of 17,600km. At a stop on the 777-200LR’s world tour at London Gatwick last week, Boeing officials said the aircraft’s official range had been extended to 17,400km, or about 19h based on 301 passengers and with three auxiliary tanks. Brad Till, regional director product marketing at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, says 500h of testing has shown its range is “a few hundred nautical miles more than expected”.
Boeing saw similar gains with the 777-300ER, which was originally expected to fly 13,300km, but achieved 14,700km due to an increased take-off weight, better-than-expected fuel consumption in cruise and a package of drag- reduction, engine-performance and weight-reduction enhancements (Flight International, 25 January–1 February).
But Till warns: “We’re still a little bit short of Sydney to London, even with this aircraft.” He says the route is one of a few specific customer demands that are “beyond the reasonable”.
Qantas is also interested in using the aircraft for direct services to New York Kennedy airport – a flying distance of 16,000km from Sydney, says Dixon.
He says the -200LR must be able to operate to London without a payload penalty: “For us it’s not a trade-off of passengers for range. We are an airline that needs to make money – we don’t do loss-leading flights.”
Boeing says it will attempt a record-breaking 24h flight with the -200LR in September.
Stuntdriva, haha...
From what I've heard there's a few glamours in which case I'd only need 19 seconds.
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From what I've heard there's a few glamours in which case I'd only need 19 seconds.
TL
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The still-air distance from Sydney to London Heathrow is 17,000km (9,190nm), but allowances for headwinds and minimum fuel reserves require a range of 17,600km. At a stop on the 777-200LR’s world tour at London Gatwick last week, Boeing officials said the aircraft’s official range had been extended to 17,400km, or about 19h based on 301 passengers and with three auxiliary tanks. Brad Till, regional director product marketing at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, says 500h of testing has shown its range is “a few hundred nautical miles more than expected”.
Maybe the auxiliary tanks are for the crappers!
Maybe the auxiliary tanks are for the crappers!
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Boeing quoted to me MTOW = 348T; OWE say 147T; 300 pax = 30T; max fuel = 162T including the three 1850 US Gall tanks in the aft compartment. That gives you 339T at brake release with no freight/excess and 348T with 9T freight/excess. Or to put it another way either 177T or 186T ZFW. In still air they said 9250nm in that config and were confident that a little improvement was in hand. I seem to recall L888 as a route mentioned that was okay as regards driftdown but its a bit longer than a GC route. So it close but maybe no cigar yet.
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Hub busting! And I was silly enough to think, just for one moment that QANTAS meant everyone else in Australia wouldn't have to visit Sydney if they want to leave the country. (QANTAS Note - SIA have three daily services Brisbane- Singapore with 777-200, what's that 1000 seats. QANTAS one A330 daily that deliver you to Changi in time to be crammed onto the SY or ML 747s to Europe) The other airlines probaly call it QANTAS busting.
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Hub Busting? I wish1 If QF had their way EVERYONE would have to leave or enter Australia via Sydney.
Whats the betting that F move all maintenance and support other than the A380 from Sydney?
Whats the betting that F move all maintenance and support other than the A380 from Sydney?
Get over it Sunfish - everyone knows where you stand re: the chip on your shoulder against Sydney 
As for the A380 maintenance - most of the QF/SQ merger talk recently was probably created against the back ground of QF/SQ negotiating shared A380 maintenance facilities (most probably in Singapore). As such there's probably little chance of the A380 maintenance being done in Sydney...
As for the A380 maintenance - most of the QF/SQ merger talk recently was probably created against the back ground of QF/SQ negotiating shared A380 maintenance facilities (most probably in Singapore). As such there's probably little chance of the A380 maintenance being done in Sydney...
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don't be so sure it's not going to happen in Sydney(A380 maint),new store's facailty is nearly finished and old stores area will be demolished to make way for new hangers.
Up to 2 hangers are set to be built for the A380 aircraft,dates to be set.
Up to 2 hangers are set to be built for the A380 aircraft,dates to be set.
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Maybe the auxiliary tanks are for the crappers!
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t into fuel in flight..................Sydney to London would be no problems!Join Date: Oct 2004
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hanger 9,why would you want to store waste in bladders inside fuel tanks,I realise that the flights are long,but the tanks inside a 747 are not that large and they cater for much more paxs