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Were they able to get a command in around the same time as a GA entrant or did they struggle with command hours prior?
A few of the guys I've talked to needed to get the 500 multi to be employable after being either not req(not sure why) or placed on a hold file for some time
A few of the guys I've talked to needed to get the 500 multi to be employable after being either not req(not sure why) or placed on a hold file for some time
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GA flying is DIFFERENT to airline flying.
Try getting a pilot who has gone ab-initio - RHS Jet transport to convert to SP IFR in a Chieftain or Aerostar, put them into the GA world to operate a 30 year old recycled piece of ****e bugsmasher in all wx day/night and do hand to hand combat commercial ops and see how well they do.
It's a different way of operating.
On the other hand, I bet you the pilot with the solid GA background will convert to the Transport Category aircraft operation a helluva lot quicker than the other way around.
If you think that GA is only a place to learn bad habits, you don't understand it in the first place; and if you don't understand the value of a solid GA background, don't knock it.
Try getting a pilot who has gone ab-initio - RHS Jet transport to convert to SP IFR in a Chieftain or Aerostar, put them into the GA world to operate a 30 year old recycled piece of ****e bugsmasher in all wx day/night and do hand to hand combat commercial ops and see how well they do.
It's a different way of operating.
On the other hand, I bet you the pilot with the solid GA background will convert to the Transport Category aircraft operation a helluva lot quicker than the other way around.
If you think that GA is only a place to learn bad habits, you don't understand it in the first place; and if you don't understand the value of a solid GA background, don't knock it.
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This is just a question:
If a 'GA background' is advantagious (makes you a better jet pilot), why does the RAAF suggest you not have one? Wouldn't they make it compulsory?
If a 'GA background' is advantagious (makes you a better jet pilot), why does the RAAF suggest you not have one? Wouldn't they make it compulsory?
F,
I think it's because they teach you to fly from scratch, so any "habits" you have will get un-habitted, and it's easier training someone who doesn't know the front from the back.
The airlines, on the other hand, only convert you onto their type and make you comply with their SOPs, that's all. You are expected to be able to fly, since they are not flying schools.
I think it's because they teach you to fly from scratch, so any "habits" you have will get un-habitted, and it's easier training someone who doesn't know the front from the back.
The airlines, on the other hand, only convert you onto their type and make you comply with their SOPs, that's all. You are expected to be able to fly, since they are not flying schools.
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The old BA cadet scheme hasn't been around for a few years now. They are screaming for pilots with experience now. Got jet time or heavy prop time, come on down.
The "cadet" schemes have changed in the UK. Now they're more along the lines of QF's. Ie you the prospective pilot pay for it.
There's some variations on a theme eg CTC. They train you (in New Zealand) and place you with an airline. The airline is only beholden to the pilot for 6 months. They can them employ them or let them go. (nice deal with a rather large loan hanging over you courtesy of HSBC)
The "cadet" schemes have changed in the UK. Now they're more along the lines of QF's. Ie you the prospective pilot pay for it.
There's some variations on a theme eg CTC. They train you (in New Zealand) and place you with an airline. The airline is only beholden to the pilot for 6 months. They can them employ them or let them go. (nice deal with a rather large loan hanging over you courtesy of HSBC)
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I was never paid the low pay scales as a Grade 2 instructor in Australia, nor the much publicised wages for regional airlines in the US. In 1995, it was US$27,900 for a Jetstream F/O in JFK at Trans States. Many of the carriers here have fairly good overtime rates.
I spoke with a seven year captain on the Comair Regional Jet and he made US$130,000 last year. I simply cannot believe that regional salaries are so low in Australia.
If I were a paying customer, Id be really concerned about the quality of job applicant that these carriers are attracting.
I spoke with a seven year captain on the Comair Regional Jet and he made US$130,000 last year. I simply cannot believe that regional salaries are so low in Australia.
If I were a paying customer, Id be really concerned about the quality of job applicant that these carriers are attracting.
in the same thread, it must be nearly my birthday. 
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We all know dickheads who came through cadet programs - and we all know dickheads who came through the military system - and we all know dickheads who came through GA.
Yes..and be nice to them they are more than likely to end up as management pilots.
I spoke with a seven year captain on the Comair Regional Jet and he made US$130,000 last year. I simply cannot believe that regional salaries are so low in Australia.
If I were a paying customer, Id be really concerned about the quality of job applicant that these carriers are attracting.
If I were a paying customer, Id be really concerned about the quality of job applicant that these carriers are attracting.
Ferris, what did that bring to the conversation? I am aware of at least one person who joined the RAAF in 2002 after a stint in KU with a reasonable slab of GA time already under his belt. Is he rubbish because he got off his date and paid for his training first? Much like the airlines the RAAF are looking for the appropriate size and shaped peg ideal for the hole.
Some of you seem just to argue for the sake of it here. OK, everyone has an opinion but just because everyone has one (however differing), does that make it neccessarily right?
Perhaps I'm getting disgruntled for being stuck in GA for too long.... A little early in the day for a rum...
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Yeah it's supposed to be closer to 2,000 pilots who crew the 497 odd NetJets aircraft:
Shades of Oz methinks just with an American accent.
Yeah!
Shades of Oz methinks just with an American accent.
Yeah!
Thank you for that link gaunty, I hadn't been following that thread since M dropped the mood and the tone somewhat beyond the gutter.
I had actually read about it here a while ago.
I had actually read about it here a while ago.
Please explain OzExpat re:
I'm all ears awiting your response...
Trust me when I say this, tinnie... you really don't wanna know anything about the "cadets" here, over the last couple of years...
That's pretty much the point I was trying to make...
Then again, we really should remember that CADET = BAD
I find it ironic that on a thread that is primarily concerned with spiralling conditions of employment (and the general consensus that more junior pilots should 'stand up' to their shonky employers), OzExpat is attempting to bad mouth pilots formerly employed in PNG that did just that. (although I'm willing to be proven wrong).
The fact that certain people seem to feel that because they're mates with certain GA employers, their shonky work practices/ethics should be tolerated...
Then again, we really should remember that CADET = BAD
I find it ironic that on a thread that is primarily concerned with spiralling conditions of employment (and the general consensus that more junior pilots should 'stand up' to their shonky employers), OzExpat is attempting to bad mouth pilots formerly employed in PNG that did just that. (although I'm willing to be proven wrong).
The fact that certain people seem to feel that because they're mates with certain GA employers, their shonky work practices/ethics should be tolerated...
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I've had a policy, for some time now, of not responding to your barbs, Johnny, but how on earth did you get THAT assessment from my previous post?
No, I don't want an answer to that because I intend to resume my policy on you.
No, I don't want an answer to that because I intend to resume my policy on you.
OzExpat, perhaps explaining just what was meant by your comment
would go a long way towards clearing up any misunderstanding.
Care to enlighten us? Like I said, I'm all ears awaiting your response (and more than willing to be proven wrong on any other counts). From JetA_OK's comments, Iit would appear that I'm not the only one who may have (mis)interpreted your comments in a way other than that in which they were intended.
Or would you prefer to just snipe from the sideline by casting aspersions without any more detail to back them up...?
Trust me when I say this, tinnie... you really don't wanna know anything about the "cadets" here, over the last couple of years...
Care to enlighten us? Like I said, I'm all ears awaiting your response (and more than willing to be proven wrong on any other counts). From JetA_OK's comments, Iit would appear that I'm not the only one who may have (mis)interpreted your comments in a way other than that in which they were intended.
Or would you prefer to just snipe from the sideline by casting aspersions without any more detail to back them up...?
