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Old 4th Jun 2013, 08:17
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Hi Capt Casper
Glad to meet another anarchist, no not the Sid Vicious type, the benign we don't need government type.
Would there be enough professional and rightous aviatiors to make this happen?
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had a public servant admonish me once for placing "Pilot"
on a form under Profession. When I asked her what defined a
profession she said, an engineer, doctor or dentist. I said okay thats fine
next time you go to Hong Kong maybe you should get your dentist to fly you there. Pilots dont rate as professionals in the bureaucrats eyes.

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Pilots don't rate as professionals in the bureaucrats eyes.
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Not only in the bureaucrat's eyes.

The history goes back to the old Arbitration Court/Commission of the 1950's or thereabouts, where the wage system was a basic wage, plus "margins for skills".

The old Australian Airline Pilots Association took action to move away from the system, and failed. Part of the argument was that pilots were "professionals".

The decision place a pilot as the equivalent of "first class fitter plus a margin for skills", the the proposition that flying was a profession, and not a trade, was rejected. As a registered organisation the AAPA was stuffed.

Thus, this organisation was dissolved, and the original AFAP formed, as an unregistered organisation. This is how the former Flight Crew Officers Industrial Tribunal came about, the Federal Government legislated to drag the AFAP part of the way back into the system.

Forget whether being "a professional" or not officially matters --- any survey of public opinion puts pilots high up on the list of "trusted professions", the same lists that have politicians and journalists somewhere beneath used car salesmen and lawyers, close to the bottom.

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"Forget whether being "a professional" or not officially matters"

Of course it dosnt Leadie,
Regardless of the contempt with which they are held by many of the industry rejects that populate FF, the proffessionals still strive to operate their machines as best they can, provide their customers with the best service they can, and strive to keep them safe, that is their"proffession", to serve their customers, they reaslise the customers are the ones who provide them with their daily bread! Interesting that CAsA choose to refer to us as "Customers"..suckers more like it!!

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Drift and wind correction.

LS –"Whatever is being produced is change, but it is certainly not "reform" --- unless you thing change and reform are interchangeable descriptions.
Notions of "reform" generally carry the expectation of better, or improved or generally the idea that reform will improve things.
004 -"Herr Leadie, i can think of a lot of things to call the current quarter of a century failure, however 'The Regulatory Deformed Program' comes to mind.
CP – "Let’s wait to see how much noise “the good Senator Fawcett” makes in government. His “solution” to aerial ambulance standards is a true-to-form Laborial abrogation of responsibility: CASA and industry should get together and have a group hug.
We seem to spend an inordinate amount of time, almost as much as the "reformation" itself has used, discussing the bleeding obvious. The Regulatory Reform program, by any other name will drift along for ever. Hows about "someone" throwing the old hat in ring and applying for the job. I mean many have tried but a pitiful few have succeeded. I expect D. Fawcett would slap the old golden handcuffs on and only let whoever see daylight once a fortnight. It would take, what ?, 3 minutes on the phone to the Kiwi experts, 5 minutes to cut a cheque and half a day to change the names in the new document (to protect the innocent like).

I will then be able to concentrate solely on the rather important, much ignored Senate report on the Pel Air ditching and the serious implications for air safety and international credibility it raises. Reg reform is myth used to entice Coroners, Judges and simple minded politicians, fully supported by the myriad mandarins, minions, spin kings and anyone else who can only play one tune on a fiddle, or only get one trotter in the old trough......

Selah.

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casa just not get it!!!!!!!!!

This is FF's latest and greatest - read and weep:

From the Director of Aviation Safety
John McCormick


As it is now just over four years since I became the Director of Aviation Safety, it is a good time to reflect on CASA’s achievements over that period. When I arrived, in March 2009, it was clear CASA needed an organisational structure focussed on what the Parliament of Australia had intended when it made the very significant amendments to the Civil Aviation Act it did in 1995. By aligning our divisional breakdown with our core functions, as set out in section nine of the Civil Aviation Act, CASA now has a sharp focus on its purpose and the activities the Parliament expects to be undertaken to regulate the safety of Australian civil aviation. It was also apparent that our policies, processes and procedures were in need of updating. Over the last four years we have invested an enormous amount of effort in this task. The outcome of this work is leading us further toward our goals of standardisation and consistency. Flowing from this are considerable benefits for the wider Australian aviation community-including, of course, the aviation industry and CASA alike.

Important progress has been made over the last four years to re-invigorate the regulatory reform and development processes. Since October 2009, 108 standards development projects have been completed. These include new Civil Aviation Safety Regulations, manuals of standards and advisory material. There are currently 98 ongoing standards development projects. However, the work will not end with the completion of drafting the new regulations. Indeed, this work can be likened to painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge-when you reach one end it’s time to go back to the beginning. In the case of standards development this encompasses the commencement of post-implementation reviews and continuous development of the regulatory suite to reflect changes in technology and other relevant developments at home and abroad.

And the process does not stop at merely writing this material. We have ahead of us a number of years during which the new rules and practices will be introduced in both CASA and the aviation industry. This is a major undertaking requiring some significant transitions over a period and at a pace which allows CASA to continue its regulatory oversight of industry and for industry to be able to absorb the necessary changes. To achieve this requires a massive effort to educate the aviation industry and assist through the transition process. We have invested heavily in training, education and safety promotion and we will continue to do so.

It is interesting to note that across the various aviation sectors accident rates have generally plateaued at relatively low levels. Australia has an enviable safety record for which we are frequently acknowledged internationally, but we must now use the data and information available to us to identify the steps we must take next to further improve aviation safety. Our initiatives in surveillance, safety performance analysis, knowledge and information management, safety education and promotion, standards setting, enforcement and the use of appropriate safety interventions, amongst other things, are all leading us in this direction.

In the context of this long list of achievements, and mindful that there is always room for improvement, it is disappointing and dispiriting that so much criticism seems to sometimes be directed towards CASA and individuals within CASA that is without substance, legitimacy or merit. Being a regulator often puts us in that awkward, if unavoidable, position of being 'damned if we do and dammed if we don't'. There will always be those who find regulations of any kind not to their liking. However, as a responsible regulator and consistent with the consultative obligations specified in the Civil Aviation Act, we must arrive at the most appropriate position for aviation safety in Australia. Fair and constructive criticism is an important and valuable part of the safety quotient in a democratic society like ours. The baseless criticism we sometimes receive—frequently misinformed, sometimes mischievous and at times personally abusive-is regrettable, unhelpful and dangerously erosive of public confidence in Australia’s system of aviation safety.
Best regards
John F McCormick


Obviously FF has not read the Senate report, or if they have, have not understood the implications.

And anyway it is "their fault"

The baseless criticism we sometimes receive—frequently misinformed, sometimes mischievous and at times personally abusive-is regrettable, unhelpful and dangerously erosive of public confidence in Australia’s system of aviation safety.

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Big Johns Tautology

Oh yes, more tautology, more finger poking at 'the ills of society', more pony pooh rhetoric. Or is part of his gripe aimed at the Senators?

The latest folly and emotional ramblings certainly is meant to make the Skull look like 'da man' who has accomplished much in 4 years. The standard deflection or a man trying to pad up his CV to look good before moving on?
And why does each CEO/Director at Malfunction Junction always say, in a roundabout way, that they inherited ****? One could assume that nothing ever changes then, as each outgoing Chief is ways followed by an incoming one who says everything is ****?

And more 'boohoo' people are picking at us. Blah blah blah, harden up Princess!

And what about this classic - "Painting the Sydney Harbor Bridge"! Well I guess that process is a bit like CAsA and it is a tautological thing, and there are numerous 'ills of society' who work on that project as well. But if CAsA is to be likened to SH bridge then you better get out the baby pooh yellow and mission brown paint, to create a more accurate robust representation. And I guess the bridge and FF are similar - there are iron rings holding it together, a lot of its rivet heads are rusty and useless, and it spans across a vast body of water, hanging there really, solid and entrenched and really doing nothing but just sitting! At least you can polish the SH bridge, but CAsA?

I also like the bit 'responsible regulator'! I recall CX used to also make quotes such as 'responsible airline'! Oh my.

So all in all, another ridiculous update from the Director.
Why wasn't he wearing a blue tie?

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in March 2009, it was clear CASA needed an organisational structure focused on what the Parliament of Australia had intended when it made the very significant amendments to the Civil Aviation Act it did in 1995.
WOT?

Things in 1995 were a lot easier to work with than 2013. DCA/ CAA worked WITH industry. And you Uncle John are still pissing around with it. And you figured this out in 2009? And you still run the ship?

"And the band played waltzing matilda............................... as aviation was destroyed when the good ship CASA ran upon the reef".

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"Over the last four years we have invested an enormous amount of effort in this task."

So what was CAsA doing during the previous twenty years??
Oh yeah pissing a quarter of a BILLION dollars against the wall!!

"The outcome of this work is leading us further toward our goals of standardisation and consistency."

So why is CAsA required shelf ware approved in one region not approved in another?? or even approved by this FOI then an imminent risk to safety by another???

Why do five operators of the same aircraft have to operate in an entirely different manner, contrary to the manufactuers recommended procedures??

Why does an FOI with limited or no experience on type have the ability to overule those in the industry with experience and impose practices on a certificate holder that are patently unsafe??


"Flowing from this are considerable benefits for the wider Australian aviation community-including, of course, the aviation industry and CASA alike."

It is hard to pick up an Industry publication and not find some form of criticism of the so called "reform" process. I have yet to meet anyone in the industry who say they have gained "considerable benefits" from the so called "reform" process, far from it. All I hear is complaints about the cost burden being imposed.

"It is interesting to note that across the various aviation sectors accident rates have generally plateaued at relatively low levels."

Has this occured because the so called "reform" process is promoting safer operation or because the "reform" process is placing an ever increasing compliance burden on industry, driving up costs to a point where buyer resistance is dramatically reducing the amount of aviation actually being performed??

"The baseless criticism we sometimes receive—frequently misinformed, sometimes mischievous and at times personally abusive-is regrettable, unhelpful and dangerously erosive of public confidence in Australia’s system of aviation safety."

It would seem Mr J.Mac considers all the industry is wrong and he is right.

If this continues what will J. Mac's epitaph be??

Maybe Kharon will award a choccy frog or even a Tim Tam to the most original entry

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All spin and bollocks...

Just like the big spiel in the Av pages Australian 31 May...following the Senate report of 23 May...BIG PR CRAP FEST. Spin doctors on overtime !
(just pretend the rrat thing never happened)

Just as in the latest monthly bstin...no mention of.

So its all good and the "bridge work" continues apace...for the benefit of all aviation man/womenkind

And as for criticisms.."dangerously erosive of public confidence in Australia's safety system." That's a good one for a hearty laugh!.
99.5% of the Oz population has ..never heard of CAsA...have absolutely no idea what they do/attempt to do/or stuff up "trying" to do. Or how they do it
BUt the Aviation industry does.

And no-one has researched, quantified or the slightest idea if joe and jill public have any confidence in the "system"

Ask "jill as she turns off her mobile and checks her brief case as she boards a 737 for a day trip to Adelaide or wherever...and all she is thinking is about the meeting to come, and she has an expectation of arriving safely at Adelaide (or Mildura ) as the case may be.

The up front professionals (pilots, engineers) see to that.

The costly, over blown, over loaded,and ever changing "system" burdens the industry, treats it with contempt, and seems intent in driving GA to the wall financially.

The new Government will seriously need to get its rear in gear, to stop the rot.

AS for passing ceos... they drift thru like a cloud, vaporous and insubstantial..and disappear eventually. Thankfully.
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NO Choccy frog, Mr T. Bird.

That, old friend (and comrade in exile) was one of the better posts it has ever been my pleasure (nay; privilege) to read on this hallowed website. Bugger the Choc frog. Unlimited access to the BRB Tim Tam (sacred box) tin is hereby granted. Bravo and ;l more of the like troops: (you know you can do it); it's called, in old money, Command discretion. The word NO is a positive (try it, you may become addicted). Of course, NFW is absolute discretion, no Y there: is there???
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I'm not sure what his epitaph would read, perhaps he will get Fearless Phelan to write it?
There are many robust ideas, most not printable here, but I would like to see the emblem of a star chamber on his headstone with 'Ills of Society' carved into it. Or perhaps a star chamber emblem with 'Death is Tautological' emblazoned across it? Or the good old 'Safe Skies For All' on it would be a nice touch. Either way, I think it will be a long time until the Angry Man crosses the River Styx.
What did Billy Joel sing again? Oh yes, Only The Good Die Young!
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Alas, poor whathisname; etc.

Nah – Wodger is doing them now, by the dozen as a side line. It has bee revealed by Willyleaks that the 'golden pen' is really a magic wand, in disguise (the wand chooses the wizard), so knocking off a few tombstones is no problemo, pick your words, quick twirl and the jobs done. The really great part is epitaphs don't have to get past all that tricky legal stuff. Wodger can happily scribe away without the remotest chance of getting his arse sued off.

The house boat crew agreed that there wouldn't need to be (or not) many words on the headstone as the plot can be pretty easily identified, being artistically formed in a horse shoe shape (there were some problems at the morgue with the proposed pretzel design) and the white marble, imitation urinal headstone was a sensitive, design addition, thoughtfully provided to accommodate the needs of the many visitors expected at the site. The plan is roundly applauded in a sensitive article this month in the "Strange Passings" magazine.

Here, John lies; all bent and twisted.
Aimed at the pot, and only just missed it;
Though standing is butch and he'd missed by not much.
Alas; his aim was askew and wet boots he knew, would make a good jest of the crew.

Well it is early....
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The - Telegraph - wrote a nice one though.

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Flight Safety - Press release.

Press release.

Dr. Jonathan Aleck proposed as Australian representative??

Foundation Launches New Legal Advisory Committee
Alexandria, VA, June 26, 2013 - The Flight Safety Foundation announced today the creation of its new Legal Advisory Committee (LAC). The committee will be composed of leading plaintiff and defense accident lawyers, regulators, and airline/aerospace counsel throughout the world, including FSF General Counsel, Ken Quinn.

"The formation of the Legal Advisory Committee (LAC) at the Flight Safety Foundation should be a positive step forward in the effort to address legal issues that impact safety, especially our ongoing work to protect safety information data," stated Kevin Hiatt, President and CEO of FSF. "Collection and analysis of data, and then the sharing of meaningful safety and operational information are the future of safety in aviation."

"It's become readily apparent that legal regimes are lagging far behind in protecting an ever-increasing amount safety information that is being gathered, shared, and analyzed, which is critical to saving lives," Quinn noted in remarks at the 4th Pan American Aviation Safety Summit In San Jose, Costa Rica. "The global aviation bar needs to work together far more closely and urgently to ensure that information gathered for safety reasons is used solely for safety-related purposes, absent evidence of gross negligence or willful misconduct."

The new FSF initiative comes in the wake of the recent conclusion of the ICAO Task Force on Safety Information Protection, which Quinn served as Vice Chair, along with Australia's CASA's Jonathan Aleck, who has agreed to serve on the Committee. Their recommendations are now under final ICAO review.

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I translate that to mean that the development of ADS-B and bettter flight data recording provide an opportunity to automate the prosecution of pilots.

I was thinking about installing a complete ADS - B solution but now I think I will go for the minimum the law allows and even then turn off what I can legally turn off outside controlled airspace.
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Sunny I wouldnt be too worried. Rumour has it that the implementation
of ADS-B so far ahead of the rest of the world is a complete mismanaged cockup. Installation of this stuff will have to be done on an Australian EO, which nobody overseas recognises, thus making your aircraft very difficult to sell. Qantas has had a difficult time installing it in the Dash8's I'm told because in our rush to big note ourselves as the "first in the world" we bought incompatibility of software.
I am also told that if all the techies licenced to install the equipment would have to complete five a week to meet the Dec deadline. I see another raft of exemptions and concessions coming up.

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Oh goodie, FSF now to be infested by some of FF's least finest?
Get ready for lots of hypotheses, intellectual waffle, everything written as a 'minute' and plenty of good old fashion bollocks. When will people learn?
There is a strong chance some hocus pocus magic acts, potions, spells and mystique will also be applied liberally!

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When I arrived, in March 2009, it was clear CASA needed an organisational structure focussed on what the Parliament of Australia had intended when it made the very significant amendments to the Civil Aviation Act it did in 1995
Folks,
Amazing that highly qualified such as Mr. Justice Bill Fisher ( Chairman of the CASA board in 1996 ) and all the CASA board members, including lawyers, since, or Director/CEOs since, or any of the DoT etc or anybody in the A-Gs, or any of the highly paid legal advisers to CASA missed what Mr. McCormick found so blindingly obvious on his arrival.

Quite amazing, I hope all the incompetents refund their fees/salaries/bonuses ---- obviously Mr. McCormick is worth far more money, with his clarity of vision, to which all his predecessors have been blind. Indeed, apparently even the principal author of the said amendments to the Act didn't even understand the meaning of "his own" legislation, and it has taken all these years for somebody to turn up who "really understands".

Or perhaps, just perhaps, this is no more than one person's view of legislation that can be interpreted in different ways, not necessarily as absolute and prescriptive as the McCormick preferred interpretation.

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Bizarre! Obviously a graduate of the Gillard School of Spin!

I wonder if McCormick actually believes his own rubbish, or is it spin for public consumption in the hope some poor half wit will believe it?
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