CASA reply to PPRuNe email re TVL.
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LRT
'Great expense to us, the operator'.
What! the Royal us? You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you? What has it cost you?
Twaddle, all twaddle.
Time you cooled off for a few days!!
Woomera
'Great expense to us, the operator'.
What! the Royal us? You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you? What has it cost you?
Twaddle, all twaddle.
Time you cooled off for a few days!!
Woomera
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Well done Woomera !!!.
LHR, I know not what you did to rattle spotlights cage.
In most part I would agree, there have been some amazing interpretations, then Re-interpretations of relatively simple legislation, at a great cost to many operators for no discernable increase in safety.
Simple Legislation, CAR206, IMHO does not fall into that category, the definition section ( CAR 1 ), seems to be sadly wanting, much to the glee of many we have spoken about in the past 210 posts.
LHR, I know not what you did to rattle spotlights cage.
In most part I would agree, there have been some amazing interpretations, then Re-interpretations of relatively simple legislation, at a great cost to many operators for no discernable increase in safety.
Simple Legislation, CAR206, IMHO does not fall into that category, the definition section ( CAR 1 ), seems to be sadly wanting, much to the glee of many we have spoken about in the past 210 posts.
Stinky. Around 1999 from memory, the then Cape York mail service was not permitted to carry passengers as the service was deemed by CASA to be an RPT service in accordance with CAR206(1)(c). Many passengers were inconvenienced for some weeks whilst the operator obtained an RPT AOC - at very significant cost.
Today I understand the service is deemed by CASA to be a charter service in accordance with CAR206(1)(b) as the service is not available to "persons generally", only Cape York station employees.
Inexplicable.............!
Today I understand the service is deemed by CASA to be a charter service in accordance with CAR206(1)(b) as the service is not available to "persons generally", only Cape York station employees.
Inexplicable.............!
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LHR,
I think GC has turned up with a knife to a gun fight.
GC, i dont think LHR was around when "Zappa" was in vogue ( i am sure you would remember that era - hence "Stink Finger" ).
What is your interest in said topic, surely you should be able to understand the "basics" of the argument. Hhmmmm. But of course i know you do not.
Where was it you did your ATPL.
Quote"You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you?".
Good guess, but sorry, try again.
I think GC has turned up with a knife to a gun fight.
GC, i dont think LHR was around when "Zappa" was in vogue ( i am sure you would remember that era - hence "Stink Finger" ).
What is your interest in said topic, surely you should be able to understand the "basics" of the argument. Hhmmmm. But of course i know you do not.
Where was it you did your ATPL.
Quote"You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you?".
Good guess, but sorry, try again.
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Well readers, I trust some indulgence has been afforded to my little experiment in psychoanalysis
The fact that LRT was posting under several nomme de plume's was obvious quite some time ago.
Why, one asks one self would a person do this? In particular he has at the very least slandered several people.
An indication of the confusion LRT and Stinkfinger (charming) have with their identities are the previous posts.
Stinkfinger (charming) responds to a post addressed to LRT with Quote "You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you."
' Good guess
try again.'
That is the one! That is the one that will get you every time you fool. PPrune has caught a number of people in the same way.
The fact that LRT was posting under several nomme de plume's was obvious quite some time ago.
Why, one asks one self would a person do this? In particular he has at the very least slandered several people.
An indication of the confusion LRT and Stinkfinger (charming) have with their identities are the previous posts.
Stinkfinger (charming) responds to a post addressed to LRT with Quote "You Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means do you."
' Good guess
try again.'
That is the one! That is the one that will get you every time you fool. PPrune has caught a number of people in the same way.
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Answering a post for LHR, no, more commenting on the fact that you Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means. Trolley Dolly to Captain in just two easy steps.
You have stated you are a pilot, Fly for JAYROW etc etc. We both know thats not true, fly a desk perhaps, hang out with pilots.
You've never actually been an operational pilot, and lack any knowledge pertaining to the issue discussed by Myself, Torres and LHR.
So think what you will, good on you.
How is Mount Isa these days ?, who's the fool ?.
You have stated you are a pilot, Fly for JAYROW etc etc. We both know thats not true, fly a desk perhaps, hang out with pilots.
You've never actually been an operational pilot, and lack any knowledge pertaining to the issue discussed by Myself, Torres and LHR.
So think what you will, good on you.
How is Mount Isa these days ?, who's the fool ?.
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Well Spotlight,
There is and has been absolutely no secret as to who i am.
Your suggestion that i am also another guise is of no concern to me.
I have publicly stated in a CASA / Industry meeting, to Mr Byron ( and esteemed company ) a month ago exactly what i have talked of here, in apparent ananimity.
Just about all posters from this topic were in the room and the topic of my concern was embodied not three seats away.
Lets draw on some more of your logic:
1. Spotlights digs alittle a Me a few posts a go, Spotlight has a little holiday, thanks Woomera , so i must be Woomera as well.
2. Stinky gets involved in a conversation the he/she states " more commenting on the fact that you Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means."
personal note: i think Stinky may be quite wrong (GC).
3. That me, Stinky, Captain Starlight, Mainframe, Torres ( and a list of others ) agree with each other on a certain topic, they must all be the same person.
I am really bored with this, hey i'll even let you accuse me of being Winstun, why not.
If anybody has an axe to grind with Winstun, abuse me, i'm good for it.
Spotlight, good bye, to the ignore list for you my friend.
There is and has been absolutely no secret as to who i am.
Your suggestion that i am also another guise is of no concern to me.
I have publicly stated in a CASA / Industry meeting, to Mr Byron ( and esteemed company ) a month ago exactly what i have talked of here, in apparent ananimity.
Just about all posters from this topic were in the room and the topic of my concern was embodied not three seats away.
Lets draw on some more of your logic:
1. Spotlights digs alittle a Me a few posts a go, Spotlight has a little holiday, thanks Woomera , so i must be Woomera as well.
2. Stinky gets involved in a conversation the he/she states " more commenting on the fact that you Walter Mitty yourself into a person of means."
personal note: i think Stinky may be quite wrong (GC).
3. That me, Stinky, Captain Starlight, Mainframe, Torres ( and a list of others ) agree with each other on a certain topic, they must all be the same person.
I am really bored with this, hey i'll even let you accuse me of being Winstun, why not.
If anybody has an axe to grind with Winstun, abuse me, i'm good for it.
Spotlight, good bye, to the ignore list for you my friend.
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Well! Hopefully thats done and dusted then. I must say, LRT et al you have made a fair fist of exposing your paranoia, tortured syntax and overall nuttiness.
Anyway, off to try and find Mount Isa on a map.
Anyway, off to try and find Mount Isa on a map.
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Spotlight,
I was not aware Mills and Boon had written a paper on "psychoanalysis".
This has been a good laugh, slander you say, Bahhh hahhhh, good one.
Rock Chucker, it is GC.
I really could not be bothered. Cleaning out my grease trap is more stimulating than listening to this tripe.
I was not aware Mills and Boon had written a paper on "psychoanalysis".
This has been a good laugh, slander you say, Bahhh hahhhh, good one.
Rock Chucker, it is GC.
I really could not be bothered. Cleaning out my grease trap is more stimulating than listening to this tripe.
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This thread grew from another thread, the common theme was the rogue element of CASA,
particularly as it manifested itself under certain (and now extinguished) regimes in Townsville.
The CASA misconduct took many forms,
some of which included the bastardisation of it's own staff,
the malicious and vindictive vendettas perpetrated against some operators and some individual pilots,
and the constantly displayed penchant for interpreting the CAR's, CAO's and CASA Policy to support some of the agendas,
even if this meant misleading the Director of CASA, OLC, Area Managers and Delegates.
It is my guess that LHRT's divergence in this thread was occasioned by the last aberration of the now extinguished regime,
which was the inconsistent and misleading interpretation of the rules to suit a particular agenda.
Numerous documented examples of manipulation and distortion of the rules over a long period
will be exposed at the possibly imminent Royal Commission or Judicial Inquiry, whichever is decreed.
Now, back to the NQ area office:
So far only two of the five misfits have been terminated.
The job is not yet finished.
The compulsive prevaricator, aka "Pinnochio",
is still to be brought to account for his enthusiastic commitment to rogue activities.
The RFDS specialist (with the night flying phobia) still awaits counselling and a commitment to behave.
Mr Rum may also respond to counselling.
BB, NH, AC have taken things seriously and this office (Townsville) is on the way to be cleaned up,
however, the job is not yet finished.
BB and NH, cast your eyes to the West and note the similarity of the misconduct perpetrated against an operator over there.
Then look at Moorabbin, Bankstown, Tamworth and Archerfield.
There is still work to be done to restore CASA's respectability and to wrest control from the rogue element that exists within.
CS.
particularly as it manifested itself under certain (and now extinguished) regimes in Townsville.
The CASA misconduct took many forms,
some of which included the bastardisation of it's own staff,
the malicious and vindictive vendettas perpetrated against some operators and some individual pilots,
and the constantly displayed penchant for interpreting the CAR's, CAO's and CASA Policy to support some of the agendas,
even if this meant misleading the Director of CASA, OLC, Area Managers and Delegates.
It is my guess that LHRT's divergence in this thread was occasioned by the last aberration of the now extinguished regime,
which was the inconsistent and misleading interpretation of the rules to suit a particular agenda.
Numerous documented examples of manipulation and distortion of the rules over a long period
will be exposed at the possibly imminent Royal Commission or Judicial Inquiry, whichever is decreed.
Now, back to the NQ area office:
So far only two of the five misfits have been terminated.
The job is not yet finished.
The compulsive prevaricator, aka "Pinnochio",
is still to be brought to account for his enthusiastic commitment to rogue activities.
The RFDS specialist (with the night flying phobia) still awaits counselling and a commitment to behave.
Mr Rum may also respond to counselling.
BB, NH, AC have taken things seriously and this office (Townsville) is on the way to be cleaned up,
however, the job is not yet finished.
BB and NH, cast your eyes to the West and note the similarity of the misconduct perpetrated against an operator over there.
Then look at Moorabbin, Bankstown, Tamworth and Archerfield.
There is still work to be done to restore CASA's respectability and to wrest control from the rogue element that exists within.
CS.
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Capt S, can I start clapping yet?
Still waiting for the party, when is it being held? and where?
Pleased with the results so far on the cleanup, let's hope it continues to it's logical conclusion.
Stinky and LHRT, maintain the rage, don't rest yet, ther's work to be done as stated by Capt S and farewells yet to be said.
Still waiting for the party, when is it being held? and where?
Pleased with the results so far on the cleanup, let's hope it continues to it's logical conclusion.
Stinky and LHRT, maintain the rage, don't rest yet, ther's work to be done as stated by Capt S and farewells yet to be said.
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Spotlight
Anonymity is fundamental policy of PPRuNe. We rigorously protect the identities of our registered users.
The wild assumptions you made with respect to multiple identities are incorrect and may well prove damaging to those users. Additionally, you definitely are not and never will be Woomera.
The penalty for “outing” another user is removal of your access to any PPRuNe forum. Your last warning, you’ve used your last chance, cool down and grow up – or you’re out of here. Permanently!
Woomera
Anonymity is fundamental policy of PPRuNe. We rigorously protect the identities of our registered users.
The wild assumptions you made with respect to multiple identities are incorrect and may well prove damaging to those users. Additionally, you definitely are not and never will be Woomera.
The penalty for “outing” another user is removal of your access to any PPRuNe forum. Your last warning, you’ve used your last chance, cool down and grow up – or you’re out of here. Permanently!
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The thread topic is:
CASA reply to PPRuNe email re TVL
Whilst Spotlight meditates for the next four days, any posts not related to the topic will be removed.
Woomera
P.S. If you "have a question for Woomera" unrelated to the topic, email or PM me. Thanks!
CASA reply to PPRuNe email re TVL
Whilst Spotlight meditates for the next four days, any posts not related to the topic will be removed.
Woomera
P.S. If you "have a question for Woomera" unrelated to the topic, email or PM me. Thanks!
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Woomera,
This thread has served it's purpose well.
CASA have responded by starting to put their house in order,
including the required career changes for some of those who do not support BB's reform process.
CASA's response was slow but measured, as Gaunty suggested it would be.
CASA now need to change their selection criteria to no longer support
"a verifiable record of industry or military career failure would be highly regarded"
Implementing better background checking for CASA aspirants should reduce the probability of rogue conduct in the future.
This thread has served it's purpose well.
CASA have responded by starting to put their house in order,
including the required career changes for some of those who do not support BB's reform process.
CASA's response was slow but measured, as Gaunty suggested it would be.
CASA now need to change their selection criteria to no longer support
"a verifiable record of industry or military career failure would be highly regarded"
Implementing better background checking for CASA aspirants should reduce the probability of rogue conduct in the future.
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Mainframe, Gaunty and Woomera
Yes, the housecleaning is going fine.
Rumour has it that 4 or five of the rogues have contemplated the meaning of life and departed either CASA or the region.
Unfortunately they weren't drummed out of the regiment in shame, but at least they've gone.
The "new" area manager is now quite definitely the area manager, having survived the tribal council.
We can drop the adjective "new", and we can look forward to the refreshingly honest,
ethical and approachable character that he has emerged as.
He has recruited good staff to replace the misfits.
They are of good character and have good solid backgrounds.
Byron can take note of what has been achieved in what was until recently the most dysfunctional CASA office.
It is not only a blue print for the reform that BB wanted,
it carries a warning to the rogue element still hiding amongst the professionals in CASA.
To the rogues hiding in WA, in Archerfield, in Bankstown.
It's time to get off the bus.
To the many in CASA who have acted under duress of the rogues, take heart, you can soon return to ethical behaviour.
In closing, only two negatives,
1: Pinnochio still survives,
and
2: A man of the Calibre of the Area Manager must unfortunately be noticed and promoted.
If that happens, let's hope that his vision and style are maintained in his replacement.
Woomera and Danny, this forum has achieved much and helped BB implement the changes needed before CASA imploded.
Well done.
CS
Yes, the housecleaning is going fine.
Rumour has it that 4 or five of the rogues have contemplated the meaning of life and departed either CASA or the region.
Unfortunately they weren't drummed out of the regiment in shame, but at least they've gone.
The "new" area manager is now quite definitely the area manager, having survived the tribal council.
We can drop the adjective "new", and we can look forward to the refreshingly honest,
ethical and approachable character that he has emerged as.
He has recruited good staff to replace the misfits.
They are of good character and have good solid backgrounds.
Byron can take note of what has been achieved in what was until recently the most dysfunctional CASA office.
It is not only a blue print for the reform that BB wanted,
it carries a warning to the rogue element still hiding amongst the professionals in CASA.
To the rogues hiding in WA, in Archerfield, in Bankstown.
It's time to get off the bus.
To the many in CASA who have acted under duress of the rogues, take heart, you can soon return to ethical behaviour.
In closing, only two negatives,
1: Pinnochio still survives,
and
2: A man of the Calibre of the Area Manager must unfortunately be noticed and promoted.
If that happens, let's hope that his vision and style are maintained in his replacement.
Woomera and Danny, this forum has achieved much and helped BB implement the changes needed before CASA imploded.
Well done.
CS