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Boeing ends 717 production
By Felix Sanchez
Staff writer
LONG BEACH — The Boeing Co. is expected to announce today that it will end production of the 717 the last commercial jetliner built in California and eliminate at least 750 jobs.
The aerospace giant will close the Long Beach plant that manufactures the 717, which traces its lineage to the McDonnell-Douglas Co., once orders for 18 of the planes are filled, according to an internal memo obtained by the Press-Telegram.
Boeing executives began informing workers of the program's termination at about 2 p.m. Thursday.
The last 717 will likely roll off the moving assembly line in mid-2006, Pat McKenna, vice president and general manager of the 717 program, wrote in a memo to employees.
"Layoffs will occur over time as the program is phased out," McKenna wrote. "However, attrition may help mitigate the number of layoffs and a number of employees will move to other programs or to other jobs in Boeing. We do not have an estimate at this time."
Demand simply wasn't strong enough for the 100-seat jet.
"This was an extremely difficult decision," McKenna wrote. "However, we must face current market realities. The projected demand for our airplane will not sustain a profitable production line."
Production of the C-17 military cargo plane will continue at another plant adjacent to Long Beach Airport. The aircraft has orders well into 2008.
Production on what was conceived as the McDonnell-Douglas MD-95 began in 1995 in a Lakewood Boulevard hangar distinguished by a sign urging people to "Fly DC Jets," a relic that still reminds passersby of when Douglas dominated the Southern California aircraft industry.
Boeing was set to officially announce the program closure on Thursday afternoon, after employees were informed, but the corporate announcement was delayed until today.
"It's devastating," said Bill Schultz, president of UAW Local 148, which represents about 300 plant workers who build the 717. "It's a good plane, a proven aircraft. This just means more work going away from Long Beach. Since Boeing bought us they've canceled out the MD-80, MD-90 and MD-211, and now our last little program that we have left."
Most 717 union workers will have enough seniority to move over to the C-17 program, Schultz said.
"Our leadership team down here did everything possible to keep the 717 alive," Schultz said. "They really did a fine job, keeping that plane going as long as they did."
McKenna's memo did not refer to specific numbers of layoffs. However, Boeing officials notified Long Beach City Hall that layoffs will begin in January 2006, resulting in a net loss of about 750 jobs, said Ray Worden, the city's Workforce Development Bureau manager.
The company employs 2,500 workers in its Boeing Commercial Aviation and Commercial Airplanes division in Long Beach, which includes the 717 program, as well as departments that perform work for commercial airplane manufacturing in Boeing's Renton, Wash., facility near Seattle, where all other Boeing commercial planes are made.
In all, Boeing is Long Beach's largest private employer, with 10,500 workers at its 717, C-17 and other plants near the airport.
Boeing says that Commercial Aviation Services plans to continue operations in Long Beach, helping to decrease the impact of near-term of layoffs.
But there are questions about whether Boeing would choose to continue related commercial airplane work in Long Beach when all other assembly work is done is Washington state.
Commercial Aviation Services does support work for airplane spares, modifications and in-flight training.
The 717's death was inevitable, one analyst said. Boeing told the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in March 2004 it was ready to take a $400 million charge off if the plane's sales campaigns continued to sputter and it decided to close the production line.
Boeing only sold 13 models in 2003 and 12 in 2004. In late 2001, Boeing considered shuttering the plant but opted to slow down the production rate to about one a month in a bid to wait out the slow market.
Faced with slow sales, Boeing cut more than 1,200 717 workers beginning in late 2000 and continuing through 2001. In all, the program's workforce dropped by 45 percent.
"It was sort of expected. It's a difficult plane to sell," said Mike Boyd, an airline industry analyst with The Boyd Group in Evergreen, Colo.
Boyd said the 717 probably would have been killed when Boeing merged with McDonnell-Douglas, but "Boeing only kept it going to keep some politicians happy."
But after nearly two years of internal wrangling at Boeing corporate headquarters in Chicago, the company couldn't find enough airlines to buy the single aisle, 100-seat 717e, even though airlines, analysts and Boeing engineers continually praised its performance.
The plane's biggest booster was AirTran Airways, which was the 717's launch customer.
Long Beach Mayor Beverly O'Neill was told about the decision on Thursday afternoon by McKenna.
"Boeing is an invaluable member of this community," O'Neill said. "We're really deeply disappointed in this news."
And although O'Neill has made mentions of the 717 program in her State of the City addresses, she said there was nothing prescient about her not making a 717 reference in her latest speech on Tuesday.
Already the city is working to help transition laid off Boeing employees, much as it did during a large round of layoffs in Long Beach two years ago and part of more than 30,000 cuts made by the aerospace giant in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks and a slowdown in passenger travel.
The city's Career Transition Center will be made available to any Boeing workers laid off and Long Beach will likely apply for up to $5 million in federal money to assist with retraining and relocating employees who lose their jobs.
"We probably will start doing the ground work this spring," Worden said.
The city has established a career transition center on Boeing property to assist with past layoffs. Worden said the city would likely seek a similar arrangement again.
"We're much more expert in helping with Boeing on downsizing than I would ever have wished us to be," Miller said.
Citing the 717 as the last of the city's airplane production with a tie to Douglas, Miller called Thursday "a dark day."
"This is the end of an era," he said.
The plant's impending closure was also rippling into surrounding neighborhoods in Long Beach and Lakewood, home to generations of Boeing and Douglas employees.
"When I worked here 25 years ago it was going big across the street," said Sally Haynes, owner of Flite Room tavern and eatery, near the intersection of Carson and Lakewood.
The Flite Room was one a popular gathering spots for aerospace workers in the industry's heyday, and Haynes also worked as a waitress at another bustling hangout, the Thirsty Isle on Carson.
"You couldn't get a place at the bar," she said of the heydays for Boeing workers at the Flite Room. "We all depended on Douglas, or Boeing."
Haynes, a Lakewood resident of 35 years, used the jobs to support her children, but as the aerospace industry cutback its ranks, …
"It's killing us," she said.
Jack Kyser, chief economist with the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., said the closure is a tough blow to the area's economy, especially when you're talking about losing good, high-paying manufacturing positions.
"It never seemed that Boeing's heart was in pushing that plane," he said. "You're disappointed and feel sorry for the workers, but it's not totally unexpected."
Of particular interest will be what Boeing decides to do with the immense property where the 717 assembly hangar now stands, Kyser said. Boeing Realty recently received the OK to develop more than 280 acres of land across Lakewood Boulevard from the 717 plant with retail, office and residential at what formerly was the site of aircraft manufacturing plants.
Placing workers might pose a challenge, he said.
"It's going to be tough for them finding new jobs," he said "Where is the job growth? It tends to be right now in leisure and hospitality."
— Staff writers Jason Gewirtz and Don Jergler contributed to this story.
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Boeing ends 717 production
By Felix Sanchez
Staff writer
LONG BEACH — The Boeing Co. is expected to announce today that it will end production of the 717 the last commercial jetliner built in California and eliminate at least 750 jobs.
The aerospace giant will close the Long Beach plant that manufactures the 717, which traces its lineage to the McDonnell-Douglas Co., once orders for 18 of the planes are filled, according to an internal memo obtained by the Press-Telegram.
Boeing executives began informing workers of the program's termination at about 2 p.m. Thursday.
The last 717 will likely roll off the moving assembly line in mid-2006, Pat McKenna, vice president and general manager of the 717 program, wrote in a memo to employees.
"Layoffs will occur over time as the program is phased out," McKenna wrote. "However, attrition may help mitigate the number of layoffs and a number of employees will move to other programs or to other jobs in Boeing. We do not have an estimate at this time."
Demand simply wasn't strong enough for the 100-seat jet.
"This was an extremely difficult decision," McKenna wrote. "However, we must face current market realities. The projected demand for our airplane will not sustain a profitable production line."
Production of the C-17 military cargo plane will continue at another plant adjacent to Long Beach Airport. The aircraft has orders well into 2008.
Production on what was conceived as the McDonnell-Douglas MD-95 began in 1995 in a Lakewood Boulevard hangar distinguished by a sign urging people to "Fly DC Jets," a relic that still reminds passersby of when Douglas dominated the Southern California aircraft industry.
Boeing was set to officially announce the program closure on Thursday afternoon, after employees were informed, but the corporate announcement was delayed until today.
"It's devastating," said Bill Schultz, president of UAW Local 148, which represents about 300 plant workers who build the 717. "It's a good plane, a proven aircraft. This just means more work going away from Long Beach. Since Boeing bought us they've canceled out the MD-80, MD-90 and MD-211, and now our last little program that we have left."
Most 717 union workers will have enough seniority to move over to the C-17 program, Schultz said.
"Our leadership team down here did everything possible to keep the 717 alive," Schultz said. "They really did a fine job, keeping that plane going as long as they did."
McKenna's memo did not refer to specific numbers of layoffs. However, Boeing officials notified Long Beach City Hall that layoffs will begin in January 2006, resulting in a net loss of about 750 jobs, said Ray Worden, the city's Workforce Development Bureau manager.
The company employs 2,500 workers in its Boeing Commercial Aviation and Commercial Airplanes division in Long Beach, which includes the 717 program, as well as departments that perform work for commercial airplane manufacturing in Boeing's Renton, Wash., facility near Seattle, where all other Boeing commercial planes are made.
In all, Boeing is Long Beach's largest private employer, with 10,500 workers at its 717, C-17 and other plants near the airport.
Boeing says that Commercial Aviation Services plans to continue operations in Long Beach, helping to decrease the impact of near-term of layoffs.
But there are questions about whether Boeing would choose to continue related commercial airplane work in Long Beach when all other assembly work is done is Washington state.
Commercial Aviation Services does support work for airplane spares, modifications and in-flight training.
The 717's death was inevitable, one analyst said. Boeing told the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in March 2004 it was ready to take a $400 million charge off if the plane's sales campaigns continued to sputter and it decided to close the production line.
Boeing only sold 13 models in 2003 and 12 in 2004. In late 2001, Boeing considered shuttering the plant but opted to slow down the production rate to about one a month in a bid to wait out the slow market.
Faced with slow sales, Boeing cut more than 1,200 717 workers beginning in late 2000 and continuing through 2001. In all, the program's workforce dropped by 45 percent.
"It was sort of expected. It's a difficult plane to sell," said Mike Boyd, an airline industry analyst with The Boyd Group in Evergreen, Colo.
Boyd said the 717 probably would have been killed when Boeing merged with McDonnell-Douglas, but "Boeing only kept it going to keep some politicians happy."
But after nearly two years of internal wrangling at Boeing corporate headquarters in Chicago, the company couldn't find enough airlines to buy the single aisle, 100-seat 717e, even though airlines, analysts and Boeing engineers continually praised its performance.
The plane's biggest booster was AirTran Airways, which was the 717's launch customer.
Long Beach Mayor Beverly O'Neill was told about the decision on Thursday afternoon by McKenna.
"Boeing is an invaluable member of this community," O'Neill said. "We're really deeply disappointed in this news."
And although O'Neill has made mentions of the 717 program in her State of the City addresses, she said there was nothing prescient about her not making a 717 reference in her latest speech on Tuesday.
Already the city is working to help transition laid off Boeing employees, much as it did during a large round of layoffs in Long Beach two years ago and part of more than 30,000 cuts made by the aerospace giant in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks and a slowdown in passenger travel.
The city's Career Transition Center will be made available to any Boeing workers laid off and Long Beach will likely apply for up to $5 million in federal money to assist with retraining and relocating employees who lose their jobs.
"We probably will start doing the ground work this spring," Worden said.
The city has established a career transition center on Boeing property to assist with past layoffs. Worden said the city would likely seek a similar arrangement again.
"We're much more expert in helping with Boeing on downsizing than I would ever have wished us to be," Miller said.
Citing the 717 as the last of the city's airplane production with a tie to Douglas, Miller called Thursday "a dark day."
"This is the end of an era," he said.
The plant's impending closure was also rippling into surrounding neighborhoods in Long Beach and Lakewood, home to generations of Boeing and Douglas employees.
"When I worked here 25 years ago it was going big across the street," said Sally Haynes, owner of Flite Room tavern and eatery, near the intersection of Carson and Lakewood.
The Flite Room was one a popular gathering spots for aerospace workers in the industry's heyday, and Haynes also worked as a waitress at another bustling hangout, the Thirsty Isle on Carson.
"You couldn't get a place at the bar," she said of the heydays for Boeing workers at the Flite Room. "We all depended on Douglas, or Boeing."
Haynes, a Lakewood resident of 35 years, used the jobs to support her children, but as the aerospace industry cutback its ranks, …
"It's killing us," she said.
Jack Kyser, chief economist with the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., said the closure is a tough blow to the area's economy, especially when you're talking about losing good, high-paying manufacturing positions.
"It never seemed that Boeing's heart was in pushing that plane," he said. "You're disappointed and feel sorry for the workers, but it's not totally unexpected."
Of particular interest will be what Boeing decides to do with the immense property where the 717 assembly hangar now stands, Kyser said. Boeing Realty recently received the OK to develop more than 280 acres of land across Lakewood Boulevard from the 717 plant with retail, office and residential at what formerly was the site of aircraft manufacturing plants.
Placing workers might pose a challenge, he said.
"It's going to be tough for them finding new jobs," he said "Where is the job growth? It tends to be right now in leisure and hospitality."
— Staff writers Jason Gewirtz and Don Jergler contributed to this story.
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I read an article, I think in The Australian of Fri or Sat, which put the total number of 717s by the time current orders are delivered at something near 150ish.
I read an article, I think in The Australian of Fri or Sat, which put the total number of 717s by the time current orders are delivered at something near 150ish.
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i feel the 717 series was a child Boeing didnt want, inherited when it took over Mcdonnell Douglas! the 717 is an updated model of the DC-9 , MD-80 series of airframes.
It is not a lemon as it already has a long history for reliability and a generally overall good airframe
It is not a lemon as it already has a long history for reliability and a generally overall good airframe
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Further to last, click here to see info from Boeing's site. 169 ordered, 137 delivered, 32 to be delivered.
Bit like a 14sux huh, though I'd guess long term support from Boeing is reasonably assured.
Further to last, click here to see info from Boeing's site. 169 ordered, 137 delivered, 32 to be delivered.
Bit like a 14sux huh, though I'd guess long term support from Boeing is reasonably assured.
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Capt Claret - that 32 figure doesn't include some cancelled frames. I believe the outstanding figure is now 18, final total 154 or 155 depending on who you ask.
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Don’t despair, hopefully you wont get a go on "the lemon".
It will be a great shame to see the end of production of this fantastic machine. Not many jets around that are as superb to fly.
At the Long Beach plant they all know the real reason Boeing are canning the 71. All they had to do was to build a few variants i.e. 100, 140 & 180 seaters, and they would have had a hot seller on their hands. Ask the Boeing guys what they really think of the 71 flight deck and the great work that was put in by Honeywell R&D and MD and a lot will admit......best package hands down. Despite being the choice of airframe for countless operators over the last four decades, without stretch variants and no extra tanks, Boeing has made this aircraft very unattractive indeed. Not at all the aircrafts fault, it’s just too bad it’s cheaper to buy and operate than the B737.
Of course Boeing are now losing out as a lot of the DC/MD operators are opting for airbus!! Good move guys
Don’t despair, hopefully you wont get a go on "the lemon".
It will be a great shame to see the end of production of this fantastic machine. Not many jets around that are as superb to fly.
At the Long Beach plant they all know the real reason Boeing are canning the 71. All they had to do was to build a few variants i.e. 100, 140 & 180 seaters, and they would have had a hot seller on their hands. Ask the Boeing guys what they really think of the 71 flight deck and the great work that was put in by Honeywell R&D and MD and a lot will admit......best package hands down. Despite being the choice of airframe for countless operators over the last four decades, without stretch variants and no extra tanks, Boeing has made this aircraft very unattractive indeed. Not at all the aircrafts fault, it’s just too bad it’s cheaper to buy and operate than the B737.
Of course Boeing are now losing out as a lot of the DC/MD operators are opting for airbus!! Good move guys
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
McDonnell Douglas made aircraft for PILOTS - cockpits with adequate flight bag storage, great individual lighting, speedbrakes that actually WORKED, flaps that extended at sensible speeds, and retracted quickly when no longer required, electrical systems eons ahead of their competitors..the list just goes on, and on.
Boeing created a basic product, and then altered the exterior shapes but left the guts in the arc age for too long.
Airbus are trying to do away with the pilots altogether, but so far have only managed to add further reasons for their NEED!!
RIP a damned fine product!
Boeing created a basic product, and then altered the exterior shapes but left the guts in the arc age for too long.
Airbus are trying to do away with the pilots altogether, but so far have only managed to add further reasons for their NEED!!
RIP a damned fine product!
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just read an interesting artical in this months aussie Aviation mag, about the Propfan powered 717, MD-80 series of aircraft. The propfans in their time proved to be 50% more efficient than their turbofan powered twins, that was 15 yrs ago. Againts todays 737/Airbus aircraft of similar capacity, they would still be 30% more efficient, and possably higher if they were allowed 15 yrs development.
In todays high oil and fuel prices, a 30 to 40% more effiecient aircraft will be a lot more attractive option.
now if only Boeing could take a small risk and re-open the propfan/ 7J7 books, they might just have a winner on thier hands to replace the againg 737 airfram and the A320.
from the story it look like MD had already modernised the flight deck with glass everything, and using 7E7 technology with propfan efficency, the 7J7 could be the 737 of the future! here's hoping!
In todays high oil and fuel prices, a 30 to 40% more effiecient aircraft will be a lot more attractive option.
now if only Boeing could take a small risk and re-open the propfan/ 7J7 books, they might just have a winner on thier hands to replace the againg 737 airfram and the A320.
from the story it look like MD had already modernised the flight deck with glass everything, and using 7E7 technology with propfan efficency, the 7J7 could be the 737 of the future! here's hoping!
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What a sad day, Boeing's handling of the sale of the 717 has always been abysmal.
Handled properly it could have sold up to 300-400 airframes. If my mate Donnie Douglas was alive today he'd be turning in his grave!
At least we have that wonderful airframe to grace our Aussie skys for some time to come.......they will see me out....unless...
......you reckon I will be able to fit my zimmer frame into the 717 cockpit.....it might take some adaption....I'll let you know how I go, then I'll patent it and start a competion for the oldest DC9 airframe driver about.....I believe I know who it is......any guesses?
Handled properly it could have sold up to 300-400 airframes. If my mate Donnie Douglas was alive today he'd be turning in his grave!
At least we have that wonderful airframe to grace our Aussie skys for some time to come.......they will see me out....unless...
......you reckon I will be able to fit my zimmer frame into the 717 cockpit.....it might take some adaption....I'll let you know how I go, then I'll patent it and start a competion for the oldest DC9 airframe driver about.....I believe I know who it is......any guesses?
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Tinpis. Both are quite simmilar in flight characteristics. The DC 9 was probably the pick but the avionics on the 717 leave even the 320 behind. At the end of the day, as for being a lemon, thats a big call having not flown the type. The airframe is still, 40 years on , one of the best in the buisness.
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I've flown all three and I still love the DC9 best for sheer flying fun and sporty control, the 717 is close behind, followed by the 'bus which has it's charms and advantages but sporty it's not!
tinpis, I would never howl at you but I think it is whatever you are used to. I could work an FMS very quickly on multiple turnrounds but over the weekend I flew a small twin and I was all at sea and had to be helped with the GPS and the RMI and tuning NDBs etc etc...... familiarity is everything.... OK?
tinpis, I would never howl at you but I think it is whatever you are used to. I could work an FMS very quickly on multiple turnrounds but over the weekend I flew a small twin and I was all at sea and had to be helped with the GPS and the RMI and tuning NDBs etc etc...... familiarity is everything.... OK?
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The FMS will always fly the a/c better and more cost affective than your Top Gun. Even Peat Conrod.
As for using the FMS. The whole cockpit can be prepared easily within 10 minutes. That's briefing, walkaround, checks,setting up the FMS etc.
So Peat you turn on the computer load up Flight Sim. What are we are to 2004 yet? After a couple of 'Not Responding" messages and having your joy stick (not your knob) and chair adjusted. And Peat you are really looking comfy. Zoom off you go in your Jet Star Asiaa A380 or A320. What peat about 10 minutes? Dream on Bozo. And Yes my asshole stinks. My girlfriend knows.
As for using the FMS. The whole cockpit can be prepared easily within 10 minutes. That's briefing, walkaround, checks,setting up the FMS etc.
So Peat you turn on the computer load up Flight Sim. What are we are to 2004 yet? After a couple of 'Not Responding" messages and having your joy stick (not your knob) and chair adjusted. And Peat you are really looking comfy. Zoom off you go in your Jet Star Asiaa A380 or A320. What peat about 10 minutes? Dream on Bozo. And Yes my asshole stinks. My girlfriend knows.
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