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There's a couple of Aussie pilots round these parts who always come out with a big "G'day". The locals groan with "Aw, it's another one of yours. Come and talk to him, we can't understand Australian" 
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Nothing wrong with a small pleasantry here and there, be it g'day, so long, cheerio or whatever - it reminds us there are humans behind the mikes, and not machines.
Main thing is to engage brain before opening mouth, and to listen before blasting off on a frequency you've just changed to.
Incidently why has QFA apparently adopted the practice of saying (for example) "QANTAS seventysix twenty four" instead of "QANTAS seven six two four"?
Main thing is to engage brain before opening mouth, and to listen before blasting off on a frequency you've just changed to.
Incidently why has QFA apparently adopted the practice of saying (for example) "QANTAS seventysix twenty four" instead of "QANTAS seven six two four"?
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Edit.... gazumped, but to extend the previous post
4.16.2 For three digit numbers, the second and third numbers are grouped. Examples are as follows:
Sunstate 122 SUNSTATE ONE TWENTY TWO
Eastern 1220 EASTERN TWELVE TWENTY .........
(Qantas 7624 QANTAS SEVENTY SIX TWENTY FOUR
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4.16.4 A pilot not using "group form" in establishing communication, but subsequently addressed by ATS in this format, should adopt the use of "group form" for the remainder of the flight in Australian airspace"
4.16.2 For three digit numbers, the second and third numbers are grouped. Examples are as follows:
Sunstate 122 SUNSTATE ONE TWENTY TWO
Eastern 1220 EASTERN TWELVE TWENTY .........
(Qantas 7624 QANTAS SEVENTY SIX TWENTY FOUR
)4.16.4 A pilot not using "group form" in establishing communication, but subsequently addressed by ATS in this format, should adopt the use of "group form" for the remainder of the flight in Australian airspace"
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Icarus,
You have got it in one, now I was never very good at english when I was in school, but of all the pedantic things in aviation, this is my pet hate too!! What's even more frightening is these guy's think that they are using the correct phraseology.
I think the answer is easy, speak proper English, use AIP phraseology and being from a civilised society, I think it's perfectly acceptable to say "gidday" or "good bye" provided your not clogging up the frequency. Just use some of that judgement, that we pilot's are allegedly famous for.
Cheers, HH.
Has anyone noticed the trend of some plonkers to change the tense of their call eg "Bugsmasher Delta Oscar Golf joins downwind runway 27..." or " Deathtrap Papah India Golf enters and backtracks runway three zero..."
I think the answer is easy, speak proper English, use AIP phraseology and being from a civilised society, I think it's perfectly acceptable to say "gidday" or "good bye" provided your not clogging up the frequency. Just use some of that judgement, that we pilot's are allegedly famous for.
Cheers, HH.
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Once made the horrible mistake going in to Beauvais , France addressing approach with a cheery aussie accented "Bon jour"
Recieved a machine-gun burst of instructions in froggy which another crew member thankfully understood being an edjamacated pom.
Never did it again.
Recieved a machine-gun burst of instructions in froggy which another crew member thankfully understood being an edjamacated pom.
Never did it again.
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Flight Number Call-signs - Using Group Form
Some tosser of a capt even wrote a letter in the safety digest exhorting us all to try it out as it was SO MUCH BETTER than the accepted and CORRECT method at the time of callsign at start of transmission. Qantas had been doing it with callsign at the end -the incorrect way- for years and the bad habit began to spread.
A bit like leaving your taxi lights on at Sydney whilst at the holding point...... beaming into the eyes of the domestic across the other side of the runway.
So what Qantas wants, we all get. Strange that they cared so much about when to say the callsign since they so often don't bother to include it in their own transmissions.
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Cornhole,
I may be incorrect on this one but my understanding of that particular change was to further bring our comm. standards into line with those of ICAO.
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I may be incorrect on this one but my understanding of that particular change was to further bring our comm. standards into line with those of ICAO.
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Gheez there's some wanka's on this site. How many of you blokes criticising on this thread have missed out with a job with the rat? And no I don't work for them. Go get a life you lot.
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Sunfish. Not only EN but just about the world over. Best (worst) I had was when flying with German charter operator the F/O replied to a take off clearance with "XYZ Cleared for take off - "bye bye" When asked why he said bye bye, he looked at me with a pitying look (as only local F/O's can do to a foreign contract captain) and said that it was good manners to say goodbye to the tower controller because he would not have time to say bye bye after take off because he had to call departures and say Good morning Sir, this is etc etc.
Unfortunately, the gidday's, cheers, byeeeees, are commonly accepted terminology which have gradually eroded the clipped coldly professional style of radio procedures in Australia characteristic of 20 years ago when superfluous gay chatter was looked upon as amateur ham radio procedure. Which of course, it still is.
Unfortunately, the gidday's, cheers, byeeeees, are commonly accepted terminology which have gradually eroded the clipped coldly professional style of radio procedures in Australia characteristic of 20 years ago when superfluous gay chatter was looked upon as amateur ham radio procedure. Which of course, it still is.
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Bluloo,
That's easy you just add "the"!
Like this "The bluloo 482"
Hudson,
Looked upon by who?
It is still possible to be Professional, cold, clipped and polite!!
Cheers, HH.
PS: I have been flying for more than 20 years too...
(How do i spank it anyway)
Like this "The bluloo 482"
Hudson,
Unfortunately, the gidday's, cheers, byeeeees, are commonly accepted terminology which have gradually eroded the clipped coldly professional style of radio procedures in Australia characteristic of 20 years ago when superfluous gay chatter was looked upon as amateur ham radio procedure. Which of course, it still is.
It is still possible to be Professional, cold, clipped and polite!!
Cheers, HH.
PS: I have been flying for more than 20 years too...
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Time to get a life
Geeeezzz you mob!
Surely there are bigger better things out there to worry about then sounding "cool, crisp, calm, and coldly professional"?
A bit of personalisation of the r/t hurts no one, all this usually gets thrown out as soon as it gets busier anyway, as you don't have the time for greetings etc.
Until it does...who cares?
PS I remember working Sydeny many moons ago (I have been on the other end of the radio for more than 20 years too) When Qantas put in a 225 for some poor unfortunate wishing a Happy New Year on the Volmet! If that is what you all want to go back to, just remember, he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
I like it in the ME...say what you like, just get the message across, as loads of pilots (and ATCOs) English is not that great, it is of more importance than sounding crisp and cold.
over and out.
Surely there are bigger better things out there to worry about then sounding "cool, crisp, calm, and coldly professional"?
A bit of personalisation of the r/t hurts no one, all this usually gets thrown out as soon as it gets busier anyway, as you don't have the time for greetings etc.
Until it does...who cares?
PS I remember working Sydeny many moons ago (I have been on the other end of the radio for more than 20 years too) When Qantas put in a 225 for some poor unfortunate wishing a Happy New Year on the Volmet! If that is what you all want to go back to, just remember, he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
I like it in the ME...say what you like, just get the message across, as loads of pilots (and ATCOs) English is not that great, it is of more importance than sounding crisp and cold.
over and out.
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As aviators in Oz (and indeed worldwide),I think we have bigger things to worry about than who says what on the radio for God's sake!
We are all being divided and conquered by the day and the posts here on PPRUNE lately sure do reflect that.
Instead of sniping at each other we better pull together REAL soon or we will all be talking about "how the hell did we piss away the best job in the world" in the not too distant future!
Don't believe that will happen?
Then just keep carrying on about crap.
It has been said many times before but I believe it is more important NOW than ever before.
We MUST get together no matter WHAT colour your A/C is NOW.
I don't know how that can happen or under what umbrella,but if we don't WE ARE SCREWED!!!!!!
There are a lot of very smart people amongst us so let's make it happen.
And let's not sweat over the small stuff for a while until we all get our communal house in order.
Because we all surely know it is very untidy at the moment and we are like sitting ducks.
Management (all companys) read these forums and must be rolling on the floor laughing at us all shooting at each other.
Dreaming?
Hope not. For ALL our sakes.
We are all being divided and conquered by the day and the posts here on PPRUNE lately sure do reflect that.
Instead of sniping at each other we better pull together REAL soon or we will all be talking about "how the hell did we piss away the best job in the world" in the not too distant future!
Don't believe that will happen?
Then just keep carrying on about crap.
It has been said many times before but I believe it is more important NOW than ever before.
We MUST get together no matter WHAT colour your A/C is NOW.
I don't know how that can happen or under what umbrella,but if we don't WE ARE SCREWED!!!!!!
There are a lot of very smart people amongst us so let's make it happen.
And let's not sweat over the small stuff for a while until we all get our communal house in order.
Because we all surely know it is very untidy at the moment and we are like sitting ducks.
Management (all companys) read these forums and must be rolling on the floor laughing at us all shooting at each other.
Dreaming?
Hope not. For ALL our sakes.
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It's too late mate.
The games over but the realisation has yet to fully set in.
In QF we just keep bending over ('cause we are too scared not to) and with an apathetic bunch of factionally split frogs as the rank and file it can only get easier for the company to continue to do us slowly, or quickly, their choice.
Once they finish cleaning up the flight attendants I'm sure the company will start to spin our barrel a bit quicker.
Look at our record and what we did.
Jetconnect.... nothing
Jetstar/LCC.. Had SGM, chanted mantras, got MOU = Nothing
B Scale 737...Bit of action here. Voted it in!
Accom............Action here too. Accepted offsets for what we should get anyway
Vertical Promotion..Nothing
767...............Let the debacle go on waaay too long.
A330.............Split down party lines. Good chance to get done over by scabs.
DPA.......... What can you say?
Now I believe the latest one is to limit our increases to less than other staff.
But there is more. I just can't be bothered typing anymore. To even start to fix this mess will take a fair bit of backbone and some industrial action. Never going to happen.
The games over but the realisation has yet to fully set in.
In QF we just keep bending over ('cause we are too scared not to) and with an apathetic bunch of factionally split frogs as the rank and file it can only get easier for the company to continue to do us slowly, or quickly, their choice.
Once they finish cleaning up the flight attendants I'm sure the company will start to spin our barrel a bit quicker.
Look at our record and what we did.
Jetconnect.... nothing
Jetstar/LCC.. Had SGM, chanted mantras, got MOU = Nothing
B Scale 737...Bit of action here. Voted it in!
Accom............Action here too. Accepted offsets for what we should get anyway
Vertical Promotion..Nothing
767...............Let the debacle go on waaay too long.
A330.............Split down party lines. Good chance to get done over by scabs.
DPA.......... What can you say?
Now I believe the latest one is to limit our increases to less than other staff.
But there is more. I just can't be bothered typing anymore. To even start to fix this mess will take a fair bit of backbone and some industrial action. Never going to happen.
For a lowly PPL, I can tell you THE biggest thrill you can get out of interacting with ATC is when ground calls acknowledging contact with "Is that you Mark?" C172 be damned , I couldn't have been more chuffed even showing up in the space shuttle
I always thought Aus pilots were held in high regard because they could be professional without being a primadonna
I always thought Aus pilots were held in high regard because they could be professional without being a primadonna