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Old 1st Sep 2004, 05:47
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Dick Smith as a green? Being a geek, you would have no choice but to join the Libs, I would have thought. Right next to the Chief Geek - Lord Downer of Bagdad.

The only thing I have ever seen that had more knobs than a Young Liberal Convention was a B727 cockpit!
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Old 1st Sep 2004, 06:20
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I think I just thought of a way to stop terrosism....Let Dick Manage it. Give him a year at the helm and both sides would be so confused and frustrated they won't know what to do, and thus stop fighting, so on that thought I say Put dick inbetween them.
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Old 1st Sep 2004, 07:54
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Those Liberals certainly are a pragmatic lot. Even carrying a leader along they privately (and lately openly) despise, they see that he is their best chance of retaining government. Prime Minister Costello is not quite palatable to the Liberals in the public sense yet, despite the deal having already been made, and some public frustrations by Costello himself at the slow baton change. Maybe he was recalling his own feigned outrage at the so-called 'Kirribilli accord' between Hawke and Keating? Best not make it too obvious about the 'arrangements' in place huh Pete? I must say though, his TV denials need a lot more polish to be convincing dont you think!? That is one thing he could learn from the master of evasion and obsfucation: The Prime Minature himself.

Personally I am no Costello fan, but I would think that he would be far preferable as a PM to Howard if the Liberals really cared about trying to woo in some new voters. Although the term 'Compassionate Conservative' is in itself a paradoxical term at the outset, (quite cycnically conceived to steal all us disenfranchised old lefties!) it does seem to have more applicability to Pete than - as Liberal Senator Brandis would refer to the incumbent leader - 'that lying rodent'.

I can't help wondering (and hoping) if they have miscalculated by rolling out the old bloke for another tour selection? His shot selection is not very wide, and it has been quite a while since he scored a boundary.

There are no new tricks forthcoming either - The old scare campaign tactics have even been taken out of the freezer like and old bit of fishbait and thawed out for another round. This time they are just a bit 'too' stinky though. Disinformation abounds once again about Labors record on the economy - no mention of the inherited bag of crap they got from 'treasurer Howard' in 1983.

If as many contributors here say, there is nothing to pick between the two major parties, why would you then encourage another term be given to a tired old bunch who care only about retaining power without any ideas how to usefully use it?

Trust Us they say - those that are willing to continue to sell out Australias reputation as an independant-thinking and morally sound member of the international community who once respected international standards on Human rights, but now gladly sheds it all in favour of local politics to win over a few rednecks?

What an embarrassment it has become to present my Australian Passport in Europe, Canada and Asia.

As former Liberal President John Valder would say: Not Happy John ( dot com)
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Old 1st Sep 2004, 09:25
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APOLOGY DUE!!

Rodent lovers offended by 'lying' claim
The alleged "lying rodent" comment made against Prime Minister John Howard has upset members of the Australian Rodent Fanciers Society.

Queensland Liberal Party branch chairman, Russell Galt, has signed a statutory declaration which claims Senator George Brandis described Mr Howard as a "lying rodent' in relation to the children overboard affair.

Australian Rodents Fanciers Society spokesperson Louise Dux says its members are somewhat offended by the statement.

"We would have to say that it's quite funny that it's not technically correct," she said.

"Unfortunately, most rodents, we have around 30 at our place, actually have a little more integrity than prime ministers and politicians."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...9/s1190071.htm
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Old 1st Sep 2004, 10:37
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Boney

Would you please refrain from comparing the B727 to a Young Libs convention.

That's SACRILEGE young man !
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Old 1st Sep 2004, 10:51
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I'm never embarrassed to present my Australian passport.
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 02:19
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Young man, I wish - that's why I can remember what the cockpit looked like. Never got my hands on it though, not THAT old!

Yeah, but sorry, was abit of an insult to B727?
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 06:35
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Chronic,

Well, wait until it gets to the point like in the US where the government encourage it's citizens to activel hide their passport and nationalities when travelling overseas to prevent becoming targets.

(Of course, our own passports might soon as well be US ones anyway)
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 06:58
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"I tend to think that as the population of Australia has become wealthier and more afluent"

According to the Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, average disposable income AND Social wage income have decresed in the past 20 years in Australia.
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 08:09
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Hey Shitzu, go and check out this place. They spout the same political views as you and your mates.

Communist Party of Australia
74 Buckingham Street, Surry Hills, NSW 2010, AUSTRALIA
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 09:31
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Uh Oh!

Hotdog,

Just when the debate was getting interesting and light hearted, you come in with the old red under the bed.

To think I thought Menzies was dead.

Mate, how about contributing instead of demeaning. Your candle won't glow any brighter because you try to dim others.

Don't be a schumck...say something meaningful.
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 11:38
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Well Pierre, that's meaningful to me; we are obviously not on the same wavelength. When somebody relentlessly rubbishes my beliefs, am I supposed to turn the other cheek? Sorry mate, not christian enough for that.
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 13:02
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And the only answer HotDog can give is that anybody who "rubbishes his opinions" is a commie? Oh dear, that's pretty sad. I hope that's not the same Hot Dog I played golf with a few times when DC9's used to overnight in MK? I credited him with a lot more intelligence than that.
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 13:36
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Hotdog,

If your beliefs lie somewhere in the foundations of the Liberal Party and what it stood for during it's inception, I have not, and do not rubbish them.

If your beliefs lie within what John Howard has turned the Liberal Party in to, then I have a duty to rubbish and expose them, along with Malcolm Fraser, John Valder and probably every pre-90's Liberal Minister who would not recognise the party since the right-wing pragmatists destroyed the values the party was originally based on.

It is the 'new' values that Howard has hijacked from the likes of One Nation that now have fools of dogma like you always playing the man: i.e. if you are not with us you are against us / if you are not a right-wing raving loony you are a communist.

For Christ Sake - grow up, get some objectivity and learn to listen not just regurgitate propoganda.

By your logic if one is not a communist they are a facist: it is apparent you are NOT a communist...... ipso?
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Old 2nd Sep 2004, 20:21
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What an embarrassment it has become to present my Australian Passport in Europe, Canada and Asia.
Why? Because the government isn't to your liking? What about the governments in Europe, Canada and Asia?

Well, wait until it gets to the point like in the US where the government encourage it's citizens to activel hide their passport and nationalities when travelling overseas to prevent becoming targets.
They're not embarrassed to show their passports, its for their own security!
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Old 3rd Sep 2004, 00:30
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Chronic,

Your point just strenghtens my argument.

Why is their security at stake?

Why is ours?

Something to do with the same unilateral foreign policy perhaps?
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Old 3rd Sep 2004, 02:43
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Politicians should be seen for what they are. Self serving lackeys of corporate power. Australia's increasingly internationalised economy will rise and fall more as a result global currency flows and trans-national corporate interests than because of which moron occupies the Lodge.

Andu,

Illegal Immigration and Assylum Seakers are two different things. I assume you are referring to Indonesian Assylum Seakers (United Nations Refugee Convention of 1951).
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Old 3rd Sep 2004, 06:27
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Shitsu

Nowhere in that first post did you mention security issues. Its a general tirade about the state of the party. Because of the way politicians behave you then, remarkably, stated you were embarrassed to show your passport in a few countries/continents.

Still not embarrassed to show my passport, Labor or Lib government.

I agree with you on the 'unilateral policy' issue. I agree with you that the threat to our personal well being that the government has bestowed upon us through these policies, is maddening and short-sighted.

But aside from slamming the Libs, which anyone can do, you tell us what so appealing about the other mob? Don't bother with rhetoric, point out why they will be sooooo different therefore worth a vote.
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Old 3rd Sep 2004, 07:53
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Why do you change anything?
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Old 3rd Sep 2004, 08:30
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No, ‘Zapatas Blood’, I am NOT referring to Indonesian asylum seekers, I am referring to the many ‘asylum seekers’, mostly from Middle Eastern countries, most of whom who travelled through (or over - in commercial jets) some ten to twelve other non threatening countries before reaching Indonesia, where they paid very large amounts of money to people traffickers who put them on boats bound for Australia, where they would claim political asylum.

There are some – quite a few, in fact – who would class such people ‘illegal immigrants’ rather than ‘asylum seekers’. Having carried quite a few such people as commercial, fare-paying passengers as far as Jakarta, I’m one who finds it had to see them as genuine asylum seekers.

I will be very interested to see how Mark Latham handles the first boatload to arrive off our coast after (if) he takes over the reins of Government.
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