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Anyone able to confirm the rumour heard from a friend of a co-worker (reliable source
) that RI had to top up the last staff pay outa his own wee bank balance/fortune??
) that RI had to top up the last staff pay outa his own wee bank balance/fortune??
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Is that why we didn't get a chrissie present this year then?
Last years wasn't exactly huge but it was something.
Would have been nice to have got something since we are what make Organ Pathetic special (or however the ad goes).
Is that why RI is looking for an investment partner?
Last years wasn't exactly huge but it was something.
Would have been nice to have got something since we are what make Organ Pathetic special (or however the ad goes).
Is that why RI is looking for an investment partner?
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Interesting post guys. Glad everyone got paid before Christmas.
Yes - this airline has issues but lets look at the commercial realities of what's happening and why its finding it tough.
CT7 ( Air Nelson/Air NZ ) I presume. You say that they will be blaming Air NZ again. Air NZ is a state owned airline, propped up by the taxpayer after its bailout. It's not always easy having to compete with this factor - there have been no handouts for Origin Pacific since it started. It has stood up on its own two feet. Air NZ has since its been in existance - anti-competitive. Look how they squeeled when Qantas wasn't allowed a slice ! Its gutless management didn't think they could hack it - and they told the staff that. What a bunch of great guys they are - not.
I wonder if Air NZ management will be blaming the Commerce Commission, Qantas, Virgin Blue and Emirates in a few years time. Probably ! Air NZ is a very LUCKY airline. Look at Sabena and Swiss Air for example, they did not get a second chance with a handout.
With Qantas turning up the heat domestically and internationally, Pacific Blue about to enter the market and Emirates providing a much better service to business class passengers the outcome for Air NZ is inevitable. Not to mention both Emirates and Virgin Atlantic looking at the Pacific routes. The Air NZ monopoly on these routes will soon be over.
Air NZ has a history of anti-competitive behaviour. That is why our airline industry in New Zealand now stands years behind the rest of the world. We don't even have RJs here yet. Wonder why ? Competitors have not been allowed to grow. The consumer loses out. How many other 3rd level operators has it stunted ?
For the second time in its history ( when Ansett NZ came along ) it will have to actually compete. In 2 years time it will be in a similar situation as Origin is now. Finally it will have to operate in a Global market like the rest. The changes it will have to make to be able to do this are dramatic !
Watch what happens when Virgin plants its jets here !
2004 will be a very interesting year for NZ airlines.
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Andromeda(Origin,QANTAS or other I presume) are you off the planet or what?!!
Are you sure you're comparing apples with apples here? OPAL with what, 14 turboprops vs Air NZ the national carrier.Had that statistic been reversed do you still think they would have saved AirNZ or Origin?Of course they saved the country's main airline. It would be untenable from a political POV for a country as reliant as ours on tourism(for one) with only 1 National(read international) flag carrier, to lose that carrier. The ensuing economic collapse would be swift and devastating. Imagine how our exporters would react if their product couldn't get off shore,even for a week. Freight,mail,perishable goods,business people,politicians,you,me and the cat cant get from A to B when required. No overseas flag-carrier, a free flying billboard all gone- I don't think so Tim. Political suicide me thinks.
Hark, I hear you say "someone would have stepped in to fill the void." Whom would that have been? Were OPAL going to fly ATR's to Oz, VB main trunk and trans-Tazman - how long would that take to set up and be approved? Long enough to see the entire economy collapse.
Isnt it funny how the people who complained at the time of the "bailout" are the same people who are reaping the rewards of still having a domestic and international airline.
You want the bad news fella? after investing 1 billion dollars and for the reasons above if AirNZ teeters again the government will do it again - the country has too much to lose.
Definition of Irony: funny how the agency that protects us from monopoly and anti-competitive practises is a MONOPOLY!! haha
Just remind me why AirNZ is anti-competitive and what the hell that has to do with not having RJ's in country? More bad news- they aint coming- unless they replace A/C on the main trunk- in which case they wont be really be RJ's will they?
Off to have my camomile tea now, Happy New Year
Are you sure you're comparing apples with apples here? OPAL with what, 14 turboprops vs Air NZ the national carrier.Had that statistic been reversed do you still think they would have saved AirNZ or Origin?Of course they saved the country's main airline. It would be untenable from a political POV for a country as reliant as ours on tourism(for one) with only 1 National(read international) flag carrier, to lose that carrier. The ensuing economic collapse would be swift and devastating. Imagine how our exporters would react if their product couldn't get off shore,even for a week. Freight,mail,perishable goods,business people,politicians,you,me and the cat cant get from A to B when required. No overseas flag-carrier, a free flying billboard all gone- I don't think so Tim. Political suicide me thinks.
Hark, I hear you say "someone would have stepped in to fill the void." Whom would that have been? Were OPAL going to fly ATR's to Oz, VB main trunk and trans-Tazman - how long would that take to set up and be approved? Long enough to see the entire economy collapse.
Isnt it funny how the people who complained at the time of the "bailout" are the same people who are reaping the rewards of still having a domestic and international airline.
You want the bad news fella? after investing 1 billion dollars and for the reasons above if AirNZ teeters again the government will do it again - the country has too much to lose.
Definition of Irony: funny how the agency that protects us from monopoly and anti-competitive practises is a MONOPOLY!! haha
Just remind me why AirNZ is anti-competitive and what the hell that has to do with not having RJ's in country? More bad news- they aint coming- unless they replace A/C on the main trunk- in which case they wont be really be RJ's will they?
Off to have my camomile tea now, Happy New Year
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Air NZ is a tiny, insignificant airline. To think the country would have had anything more than a hiccup if it stopped flying is ridiculous. Long term it would have been far better as the history of the company is rife with patch protection and this has been at the detriment of tourism (especially the South Island). How would all the people have got around the country, same way they did when all the domestic B737-200 aircraft were grounded due to Air NZ buying el cheapo turbine blades. Foreign aircraft on contract.
As for needing Air NZ to promote NZ, we can just use Peter Jackson instead.
As for RI's airline, it only exists through Air NZ money (easy come easy go).
Now that the Air NZ / Qantas monopoly has been stopped it is going to be very interesting. Qantas has the muscle and political support and with its new low cost operator will most likely screw over VB. I think the future for PB is questionable as well. I imagine it will be back to the old days soon. I suggest people take that cheap holiday while they can.
As for needing Air NZ to promote NZ, we can just use Peter Jackson instead.
As for RI's airline, it only exists through Air NZ money (easy come easy go).
Now that the Air NZ / Qantas monopoly has been stopped it is going to be very interesting. Qantas has the muscle and political support and with its new low cost operator will most likely screw over VB. I think the future for PB is questionable as well. I imagine it will be back to the old days soon. I suggest people take that cheap holiday while they can.
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You don't know what you are talking about. Sabena and Swissair were flying within days of going broke. Slightly different name, mostly the same people behind them, same logos on the aircraft, all more or less illegal under EU law (several court cases pending, but by the time they see a court room it will be way too late).
How Origin survived this long is beyond me. Wrong aircraft- no routes- wrong base.
You don't know what you are talking about. Sabena and Swissair were flying within days of going broke. Slightly different name, mostly the same people behind them, same logos on the aircraft, all more or less illegal under EU law (several court cases pending, but by the time they see a court room it will be way too late).
How Origin survived this long is beyond me. Wrong aircraft- no routes- wrong base.
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Just heard from someone that Airways are looking at OP..... late payments or similar...??
Who next, Mobil, AIAL....??
Who in there right mind would start an airline in NZ....?
It's too small for two, almost too big for one....
Who next, Mobil, AIAL....??
Who in there right mind would start an airline in NZ....?
It's too small for two, almost too big for one....
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Tape it shut ....hmmm what a good idea.
I trust when AirNZ/Link come knocking you'll be turning them down
I don't think anyone doubts on the world scale AirNZ is a
, however anyone who thinks the effect of it's collapse is insignificant is not in touch with economic reality.
Have a think about it chum......p, no Eagle/Nelson/Mt Cook/National or International,yep we'll bring in "some"
. How many A/c were you going to bring in?Crew?I'm sure an overseas 737 will get into NZWR no problem!
There'd be big money in the 19 seat market for a new entrant too. I can smell the rotting kiwifruit and fetid beef from here as it basks in the warm atmosphere of a packhouse going nowhere.
Put loyalties or dislikes aside and look at the big picture(and maybe an economics paper or 2?)
mmm.......Green tea
I trust when AirNZ/Link come knocking you'll be turning them down
I don't think anyone doubts on the world scale AirNZ is a
tiny and insignificant airline
Have a think about it chum......p, no Eagle/Nelson/Mt Cook/National or International,yep we'll bring in "some"
foreign aircraft on contract
There'd be big money in the 19 seat market for a new entrant too. I can smell the rotting kiwifruit and fetid beef from here as it basks in the warm atmosphere of a packhouse going nowhere.Put loyalties or dislikes aside and look at the big picture(and maybe an economics paper or 2?)
mmm.......Green tea
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Thump & Go
Your comments regarding the 19 seat aircraft are interesting. No one would be interested!
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At that time the world was full of surplus aircraft and crew. It would have been easy to get the required cover. Do not presume all companies have the same slow processes as Air NZ. The expansion would have been rapid for some with the ex-Air NZ aircraft and crew sitting their waiting.
The economy is suffering long term due to Air NZ. Just ask the South Island exporters. What we need in this county is a budget airline like Southwest that allows rapid growth in air travel. Think of all the provincial economies in this country that are at the mercy of Air NZ.
The only hope is that people back PB with a passion and the smaller provincial towns create their own new aviation markets. To hell with Air NZ!
Your comments regarding the 19 seat aircraft are interesting. No one would be interested!
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Air National
Airwork
Air Chathams
At that time the world was full of surplus aircraft and crew. It would have been easy to get the required cover. Do not presume all companies have the same slow processes as Air NZ. The expansion would have been rapid for some with the ex-Air NZ aircraft and crew sitting their waiting.
The economy is suffering long term due to Air NZ. Just ask the South Island exporters. What we need in this county is a budget airline like Southwest that allows rapid growth in air travel. Think of all the provincial economies in this country that are at the mercy of Air NZ.
The only hope is that people back PB with a passion and the smaller provincial towns create their own new aviation markets. To hell with Air NZ!
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Tape It Shut
It sounds like you have a bit of a grudge or are you well balanced-with a chip on both shoulders?
You have a serious lack of knowledge to think that a start up operation could cover the hole left if Air NZ had gone under. What about- CAA approvals/ Foreign govt approvals/Operations manuals/ Approvals for crew checking/ Crew training.. just the tip of the ice berg.
"The economy is suffering long term due to Air NZ. Just ask the South Island exporters."
What exactly are you basing this on? how about some facts instead of ravings!
It sounds like you have a bit of a grudge or are you well balanced-with a chip on both shoulders?
You have a serious lack of knowledge to think that a start up operation could cover the hole left if Air NZ had gone under. What about- CAA approvals/ Foreign govt approvals/Operations manuals/ Approvals for crew checking/ Crew training.. just the tip of the ice berg.
"The economy is suffering long term due to Air NZ. Just ask the South Island exporters."
What exactly are you basing this on? how about some facts instead of ravings!
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So guess who got turned down by AirNZ?? 
TIS what a load of misguided rubish. The country has more flights all over the place now than it ever had and at cheaper prices.
PB are no more going to fly into places like Palmerston north, Napier, Invercargill, etc than they will fly to the Moon!!
Andro
What international services do we have a monopoly on???
AirNZ spends a fortune on promoting NZ as a tourist destination which a lot of NZers benefit from!! So to say that if it had gone under it wouldn't have had any effect......Get a grip
Back to the thread, lets hope orgin do ok.
TIS what a load of misguided rubish. The country has more flights all over the place now than it ever had and at cheaper prices.
PB are no more going to fly into places like Palmerston north, Napier, Invercargill, etc than they will fly to the Moon!!
Andro
What international services do we have a monopoly on???
AirNZ spends a fortune on promoting NZ as a tourist destination which a lot of NZers benefit from!! So to say that if it had gone under it wouldn't have had any effect......Get a grip
Back to the thread, lets hope orgin do ok.
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Pharknose, you forgot to mention QANTAS are (most importantly) very,very,very well connected politically. As you say interesting times ahead, lets just hope the guys at Origin get to keep their jobs in the meantime.
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You are obviously loyal Koru team members. To put you straight I have been offered jobs by both Eagle and Air Nelson and turned both of them down.
I am not an idiot and realise that there would have been some short-term problems if Air NZ had gone under. My belief was that it was an excellent opportunity for NZ to kick for touch a total institution full of institutionalised employees.
We could have introduced a budget carrier like Southwest and we would have witnessed the Southwest effect. If you are not certain of what that is it is where they enter the market and airfares drop by 74% and traffic goes up by 790%.
I was very impressed when Freedom was flying domestically as it was the closest thing the public of NZ has ever got to a true budget carrier. I thought at the time how can Air NZ continue with this as it will wipe out it's national airline. It was not unexpected that Freedom stopped flying domestically. Please don't argue that the new Express Class offered domestically by Air NZ is any more than a con.
You are obviously loyal Koru team members. To put you straight I have been offered jobs by both Eagle and Air Nelson and turned both of them down.
I am not an idiot and realise that there would have been some short-term problems if Air NZ had gone under. My belief was that it was an excellent opportunity for NZ to kick for touch a total institution full of institutionalised employees.
We could have introduced a budget carrier like Southwest and we would have witnessed the Southwest effect. If you are not certain of what that is it is where they enter the market and airfares drop by 74% and traffic goes up by 790%.
I was very impressed when Freedom was flying domestically as it was the closest thing the public of NZ has ever got to a true budget carrier. I thought at the time how can Air NZ continue with this as it will wipe out it's national airline. It was not unexpected that Freedom stopped flying domestically. Please don't argue that the new Express Class offered domestically by Air NZ is any more than a con.