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All wound up.
Perpetual_Hold_File & pullock,
I've clearly taken the play along stance a little too seriously.
No, I don't genuinely believe that our profession covers for all of those that I listed, and frankly, it would be quite insultful to those hard working professionals of me to imply so. I was merely attempting to see if I provoke what is clearly a very disillusioned reader/poster.
On the other hand, I do dislike being sold short in such a way that is being tried here. No, we are not some superior form of life towards any other profession, whether it be a trucky, garbage collector, (some pilots double as these anyway) or rocket scientist, but we have our own individual trade, do we not?
520.
P.S. Tobzalp, 10 points mate. My ribs are still aching.
I've clearly taken the play along stance a little too seriously.
No, I don't genuinely believe that our profession covers for all of those that I listed, and frankly, it would be quite insultful to those hard working professionals of me to imply so. I was merely attempting to see if I provoke what is clearly a very disillusioned reader/poster.
On the other hand, I do dislike being sold short in such a way that is being tried here. No, we are not some superior form of life towards any other profession, whether it be a trucky, garbage collector, (some pilots double as these anyway) or rocket scientist, but we have our own individual trade, do we not?
520.
P.S. Tobzalp, 10 points mate. My ribs are still aching.
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520 dude I just couldn't resist annotating your quote the way that it should be. Your post has had me smiling all day, I just could resist a second bite!!
For those who can't be bothered reading back, the comments in brackets are my annotatoions on 520's original post.
Here's the original - I am sure there are some that believe it to be true!!
If you should ever venture into looking at the training we undertake, you'll find that we're all in fact aviators (who can't get a job anywhere else), doctors (have an idea of the principals of first aid), lawyers (learned the rules of aviation but still don't quite understand the separation of powers), meteorologists (capable of reading the weather off a fax), physicists (know the difference between up and down because that's what the command bars tell us, and what was that thing about vectors, I know it's got something to do with radar!!)and mathematicians (know that airline pilots earn more than ga pilots, that still doesn't add up to me!!) all rolled into one (ego).
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For those who can't be bothered reading back, the comments in brackets are my annotatoions on 520's original post.
Here's the original - I am sure there are some that believe it to be true!!
If you should ever venture into looking at the training we undertake, you'll find that we're all in fact aviators, doctors, lawyers, meteorologists, physicists and mathematicians all rolled into one.
If you should ever venture into looking at the training we undertake, you'll find that we're all in fact aviators (who can't get a job anywhere else), doctors (have an idea of the principals of first aid), lawyers (learned the rules of aviation but still don't quite understand the separation of powers), meteorologists (capable of reading the weather off a fax), physicists (know the difference between up and down because that's what the command bars tell us, and what was that thing about vectors, I know it's got something to do with radar!!)and mathematicians (know that airline pilots earn more than ga pilots, that still doesn't add up to me!!) all rolled into one (ego).
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Ha! Indeed. And after that one, no, I'm not above admitting to having an ego. But not nearly the size or magnitude you make it out to be...
No, sorry mate. Can't agree with that one. I'm not doing this because I think it's "boring". I'm not saying that it's wrong to think it is boring, but if you do, and if you're that bright, maybe it's best that you're not a pilot (or are you?), and that you're doing something presumably a lot more thrilling, not that I can imagine what that could be.
520.
it's just a job like any other only a lot more boring.
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Wind up indeed!
Ocker you arent too far off the pace with your observations....I think there is something your not telling us about yourself though...
However, for the insurance risk that I carry daily, I would love to get paid the same as a trucker!
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Ocker you arent too far off the pace with your observations....I think there is something your not telling us about yourself though...
However, for the insurance risk that I carry daily, I would love to get paid the same as a trucker!
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We should all thank Oz Ocker for so very effectively bringing to more people's attention the same point that Wiley tried to make in the thread that Oz Ocker told people to look at (or was it the thread that THAT thread told people to look at?). See here
It's getting distressingly close to the day when some 'bright' bean counter will see the 'savings' that are to be made in puting some completely untrained button pusher into the seat of an airliner with permission (and the ability) to do nothing more than button push, ie, program the computers and possibly taxi the beast.
God help us all if/when that day arrives, because we'll all have lost our jobs (or the job will no longer be worth having) before the bodies start piling up sufficiently high to prove what a stupid move it was.
It's getting distressingly close to the day when some 'bright' bean counter will see the 'savings' that are to be made in puting some completely untrained button pusher into the seat of an airliner with permission (and the ability) to do nothing more than button push, ie, program the computers and possibly taxi the beast.
God help us all if/when that day arrives, because we'll all have lost our jobs (or the job will no longer be worth having) before the bodies start piling up sufficiently high to prove what a stupid move it was.
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It's getting distressingly close to the day when some 'bright' bean counter will see the 'savings' that are to be made in puting some completely untrained button pusher into the seat of an airliner with permission (and the ability) to do nothing more than button push, ie, program the computers and possibly taxi the beast.
God help us all if/when that day arrives, because we'll all have lost our jobs (or the job will no longer be worth having)....
God help us all if/when that day arrives, because we'll all have lost our jobs (or the job will no longer be worth having)....
Let's be honest - improvements in aircraft design and technology and in airline operating procedures mean that airline aircraft are now safer than ever, and the job of airline pilot has been progressively and significantly de-skilled over the last few decades.
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you'll find that we're all in fact aviators, doctors, lawyers, meteorologists, physicists and mathematicians
E.xactly how Winstun used to describe himself.
T.oo bad this Ocker bloke is so un-funny. We need a few laughs...
A.lways a pathetic sight when someone tries and fails so visibly like this.
R.ambling on to get an 'R' in there...
D.isappointing start there, ozocker.
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Ah cunny, you speak with forked tongue, matey....and maybe I COULD jus do yer job with only a bit of trainin`
Read between the friggin` lines. The way things are goin`, how longs it gunna be before the complete basic CPL syllabus is seen as a bl00dy overkill. Kinda like makin` a truckie or a bus driver learn to ride a pushbike, then a moter scooter, then a car before e can drive the big rigs.
That`s the way shes goin` blokes.
Step back an take a look will youse.
Gerday to me ol` mate, OzExpat!
See youse round.
Read between the friggin` lines. The way things are goin`, how longs it gunna be before the complete basic CPL syllabus is seen as a bl00dy overkill. Kinda like makin` a truckie or a bus driver learn to ride a pushbike, then a moter scooter, then a car before e can drive the big rigs.
That`s the way shes goin` blokes.
Step back an take a look will youse.
Gerday to me ol` mate, OzExpat!
See youse round.
I figure it's yer cousin, three times removed, who's headin for his fourth one! 
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Seems to me like lotsa ya wanna have these little male dominated ego fites between yaselves. Like..is it REALLY al that hard to stay focused on the central issue, without wantin' to box the next guys ears, just because he's the next guy?
I feels like I'm bashin' me 'ead against a brick, f@rkin' wall 'ere - an' I really wonder if youse are all wroth it!
Or if your jus' a buncha wallys, lookin' fr the next dumb lammpost to kick!!
But let's face it - most of youse are more intrested in who had somethin to say, that was superfishally deep, rater then tryin to take the overall view.
An' that's where a lot of us Aussies fall down - we try to play the loner act!
see youse round - like a rissole!
I feels like I'm bashin' me 'ead against a brick, f@rkin' wall 'ere - an' I really wonder if youse are all wroth it!
Or if your jus' a buncha wallys, lookin' fr the next dumb lammpost to kick!!
But let's face it - most of youse are more intrested in who had somethin to say, that was superfishally deep, rater then tryin to take the overall view.
An' that's where a lot of us Aussies fall down - we try to play the loner act!
see youse round - like a rissole!
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Pithblot,
Yeah mate, for sure. Can't take anything away from doctors, especially GPs. They are the the meaning of overtime, as far as I'm concerned. And before I get shot down again, no, I'm not one of them, and I don't have any in my family either. Just know a few of them.
Same with dentists. Work very hard for many years in the lab and fork out heaps of dosh for tools and other implements for years before it starts paying for itself.
Either way, I'd prefer to be flying any day in anything anywhere, justabout rather than looking through someone's rotting row of teeth.
520.
Yeah mate, for sure. Can't take anything away from doctors, especially GPs. They are the the meaning of overtime, as far as I'm concerned. And before I get shot down again, no, I'm not one of them, and I don't have any in my family either. Just know a few of them.
Same with dentists. Work very hard for many years in the lab and fork out heaps of dosh for tools and other implements for years before it starts paying for itself.
Either way, I'd prefer to be flying any day in anything anywhere, justabout rather than looking through someone's rotting row of teeth.
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Ocker, how long does it normally take you to convert a normal post into trailer trash-ese?
You cannot expect us to believe you actually talk like that and can operate a computer. Stop with the BS affectation and maybe people will take you seriously.
You cannot expect us to believe you actually talk like that and can operate a computer. Stop with the BS affectation and maybe people will take you seriously.
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Sorry Cobber, had a few tinnies before I writ that one and I carn't hardly believe it meself this mornin. But anyways its probly more than the skills pilots are gunna be needin' in the for see able future I reackon.
I'm rellly wonderin which way she's gunna go ya know. Are youse all gonna be wearin' blue singlets and thongs like that that other fella suggested, or are ya gonna become sort of "specialists" - you know, less of ya, but more money?
Almost looks ta me that a lot of the way things ave gone is due ta this "global village" bullsh!t. Used to be that only Anglo-Saxon decendents flew airaplanes, wearin their white shirts, gold epalets, and wings, and the peak cap worn at jus the right tilt, with the Ray Bans.
Today ya got all races polin' the big jets and competin' for any jobs that come up. Course we know that the non western world pilots fly for LOTS less than youse do - well usta!
Not now tho'. Your saleries ave gone down an theirs' as gone up.
Maybe its a lot to do with the super dooper technology(!) that the airoplane makers ave been able to in-corprate.
Course its made a helluva lot arder on the western airlines operatin International too asn't it. Non western countries can oprate on a much lower cost base structure because most of em pay their workers peanuts by our standards - the money most of youse get in one month is probly like a whole bl00dy years wages for them poor beggars!!
But the passengers sittin up in the big new Boeing or Hairbus dont know, or even think about that, their way to busy eatin their tucker and drinkin the free p!ss, payin for their accomadation with the bikkies they saved buyin it from this airline steada the big Q or BA.
Can ya imagine ow much the airline I was just talkin about is creamin tho. If the big Q can turn a profit and pay aller youse pilots, hosties, bag humpers, ticket punchers, clerks, and the like normal Ozzie saleries, then the other airlines who pay cr@p must be stackin it away!
Good ol Dicko n Jacko could pick up a real nice coupla cool mill in bonuses if they could get youse down to 3rd world wages.
Only a coupla things standin in their way tho at the moment - the govaments minamum wages for full-time workers, and them bl00dy unions - but their workin REAL hard to get rid o them.
But hey, stick ya heads in the sand and pretend it ain't appenin'.
But don't come whingin and whinin round ere in a coupla years time. The playin fields bein levelled a lot faster now than it has been in the past - kinda like a snowball rolling down a hill.
Dunno what youse kin do about it before it gets too late. Reackon its just about in-evatable now when ya look at the whole thing.
See youse round!
I'm rellly wonderin which way she's gunna go ya know. Are youse all gonna be wearin' blue singlets and thongs like that that other fella suggested, or are ya gonna become sort of "specialists" - you know, less of ya, but more money?
Almost looks ta me that a lot of the way things ave gone is due ta this "global village" bullsh!t. Used to be that only Anglo-Saxon decendents flew airaplanes, wearin their white shirts, gold epalets, and wings, and the peak cap worn at jus the right tilt, with the Ray Bans.
Today ya got all races polin' the big jets and competin' for any jobs that come up. Course we know that the non western world pilots fly for LOTS less than youse do - well usta!
Not now tho'. Your saleries ave gone down an theirs' as gone up.
Maybe its a lot to do with the super dooper technology(!) that the airoplane makers ave been able to in-corprate.
Course its made a helluva lot arder on the western airlines operatin International too asn't it. Non western countries can oprate on a much lower cost base structure because most of em pay their workers peanuts by our standards - the money most of youse get in one month is probly like a whole bl00dy years wages for them poor beggars!!
But the passengers sittin up in the big new Boeing or Hairbus dont know, or even think about that, their way to busy eatin their tucker and drinkin the free p!ss, payin for their accomadation with the bikkies they saved buyin it from this airline steada the big Q or BA.
Can ya imagine ow much the airline I was just talkin about is creamin tho. If the big Q can turn a profit and pay aller youse pilots, hosties, bag humpers, ticket punchers, clerks, and the like normal Ozzie saleries, then the other airlines who pay cr@p must be stackin it away!
Good ol Dicko n Jacko could pick up a real nice coupla cool mill in bonuses if they could get youse down to 3rd world wages.
Only a coupla things standin in their way tho at the moment - the govaments minamum wages for full-time workers, and them bl00dy unions - but their workin REAL hard to get rid o them.
But hey, stick ya heads in the sand and pretend it ain't appenin'.
But don't come whingin and whinin round ere in a coupla years time. The playin fields bein levelled a lot faster now than it has been in the past - kinda like a snowball rolling down a hill.
Dunno what youse kin do about it before it gets too late. Reackon its just about in-evatable now when ya look at the whole thing.
See youse round!
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I'm with you Cutest:
Ocker, how long does it normally take you to convert a normal post into trailer trash-ese? You cannot expect us to believe you actually talk like that and can operate a computer. Stop with the BS affectation and maybe people will take you seriously
You're a flogga, Oz!
The other threads on this topic are far more productive on this issue.
Say it properly or don't say it at all.
Ocker, how long does it normally take you to convert a normal post into trailer trash-ese? You cannot expect us to believe you actually talk like that and can operate a computer. Stop with the BS affectation and maybe people will take you seriously
You're a flogga, Oz!
The other threads on this topic are far more productive on this issue.
Say it properly or don't say it at all.
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If I was a betting man, I would think Kaptin M was having a lend of us under a new user name.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=4
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=4
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Until now, I`ve stayed away from this one, however as your link to the other thread indicates, it seems more than a little coincidental that 3 threads are all heading pretty much in the same direction.
As for being an Ozzie ocker, my spell-checker wouldn`t let me past the first sentence. 146.
It COULD be Wiley, trying a new tack!!
As for being an Ozzie ocker, my spell-checker wouldn`t let me past the first sentence. 146.
It COULD be Wiley, trying a new tack!!