23 years and a cpl, I think you asked for that one canberra.

Lets all breathe a sigh of relief that Marconi Boy was on the scene to deal with such a situation otherwise it could of been a disaster!!!!!
As for canberra twenty how many years and only a Cpl that speaks for itself!!!
More awards for Marconi boy thats what I say!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Thanx B/E,

Cash instead of the awards would be gratefully accepted.

MB:D

It looks the net is closing in for Alplha Control and the sooner it does the better. :D .

Just to add my pennies worth: It does not bother me who the controller works for: Bunker in ground, Lon/Scot Mil, ATC or Civvie, at the end of the day hopefully we are all trying our hardest to ensure that all the glorified bus drivers in the sky can go about their work as safely as possible. So if i can take my aircraft of you early, honestly the cheques in the post, i will take them just to help you out.;) :rolleyes:

Now look everyone - stop praising Marconi Boy. If we're not careful his ego will get so big he won't be able to fit it through the door to the bunker - and then where would we all be, deprived of his massive controller skills?:D :D :D ;)

AA

On the other hand get him into the bunker tell him how good he is then you will have him permanently available :).

When you need to get him out tell him he needs to practice his handovers to external agencies - before you ask I was on the receiving end. ;)

Pie Man,

Looks like we both like our food.:p

I was only responsible for the transits outbound alone, the recovery was far too difficult for an "Award Winner" to handle on his own. I had assistance with that. (As you did at the home plate!!);)

PS: I still love single speaking units!! Even if there were more than one or two aircraft in the formation.. Oops SORRY.

Give my love to Point Bravo! It was still nice doing business with you all.

'I counted them out and I counted them in' fortunately the numbers were similar.

MB

So what if 1 becomes 2 - can't take a joke etc...:D

Look forward to NOMAD next year with no airway to cross ;)

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I'll have a pie :cool:

You are so right Bullseye Bandit, your branch has been high profile since Sep 11, it's just a shame that when the time came to do your stuff 'for real' it was the worst abomination I've ever witnessed. Thank god ATC were there to sort it out for you (as usual).

So we are back where we started, slagging each other off again. Madam, Welcome to the club.

It would be nice if you knew what we actually did down the hole. You might want to come and visit one day, then you may also find out we have a lot of nice procedures to work with. No not just the standard sep stuff, that right AD things, you might not be aware of.

Instead of slagging the trade off, come and have a look.

We don't bite!! :D YET.

Yours MB

MB - You beat me to it;)

Madam ATCO,

Without prejudice and only a hint of banter,

I would suggest you know very little about what FCs actually do. On the (rare) occasions that I have seen visits to the bunkers by ATCOs, most depart with more understanding and, dare I say it, a little amazement and respect for what we're doing. Most of that comes down to an appreciation that we're training for war...can you say that about your primary duty?

Having said that, you're entitled to your opinion. Welcome to the thread;)

AA

As an innocent byestander (believe that if you wish) and assuming the FCs are trying to get ac together there are a number of ATCOs made for the FC trade/branch ;)

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Approaching Decision Height look-up and crash visually

For last years allocated liason visit, I tried to arrange a trip to the "nearby" FC unit, mistakenly believeing that a visit by a civil atco (that's non - mil, not polite:p ), would be of benefit to both sides.

Big mistake :rolleyes: .

I was fobbed off to the nth degree by red tape, and went to Amsterdam instead.

A shame really, 'cos I still believe that FC could benefit from intrusions into their world from the aliens that are other airspace users.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If there are any ATCO's wishing to liaise/visit us to see how we operate as FC's, let me know via Private Mail. I will need to know your full name, ATCU and daytime tel number.

I cannot guarantee anything.

MB

MB and AA, unusually for an air traffiker I have been to the odd bunker and found it most enlightening - I would strongly recommend a visit. However, in 17 years service I have never seen a visit by FCs to an ATC tower.
As far as "training for war" goes, I didn't see many CBA clad FCs on the ground in Afghanistan earlier this year.

I would just like to highlight a point.

Whipping Boy's SATCO Quote

"As far as "training for war" goes, I didn't see many CBA clad FCs on the ground in Afghanistan earlier this year."

Take3Call5 Quote

"And if the AD's are training for war then where was their involvement in all the recent conflicts???"

This is taken direct from the AWACS Sqn Web Site: I think you all are aware where these aircraft have been over the past few years.

Weapons Team Composition

The weapons team is headed by the Fighter Allocator (FA) who is responsible for the safe conduct of all aircraft which have been allocated to the E-3D for control. His/her 2 Weapons Controllers (WCs) can control a wide variety of air missions including Offensive and Defensive Counter Air operations using fighters, Close Air Support and Battlefield Air Interdiction using bombers and a wide variety of operational support aircraft.

Get a little closer to the action before you start quoting things you know nothing about.

Apologies and a little recognition for these guy's and girls would definitely be accepted.:p

MB, having spent 4 months in Afghanistan as an air traffiker I stand by my comments as, with an equal "hint of banter", I was replying to AA's statement:

I have worked in various operational CAOCs and AOCCs and am personally fully aware of the vital role played by FCs. I initially responded as it appeared to me that AA was unaware of the role of air traffikers. It may surprise him to note that we also train to survive and operate in war.

Finally, I will assume that your comment,

is meant for Take3call5 and not for me.

PS. I think you will find that BAI is no longer part of Air Power Doctrine.

WBS,

You assume correctly.

Ps. Just quoting the Sqn WWW Site. Thanx for the update though. ;)

T3C5

Exacly what do you think the AD aircraft do all day? Transit from A to B for fun.

Quote:

"So I ask the question once again, what war are the rest of you fighting from your bunkers in the UK?"

What the aircraft do between A to B might enable them and us practice for when we go sunnyside. Its no good training while actually on the Op tour. Read the books these might enable you to know what Ops we do conduct in the UK.

Cheers

MB/T3C5, time for a mutual tree hug?