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Scope 2nd July 2025 22:19

Is European ATC broken?
 
I’m an air traffic controller somewhere in Europe and I used to be proud of my profession. We provided service, we did our utmost to get aircraft where they wanted to go. We truly earned our salary. Directs, altitudes, you name it. We were always happy to take additional traffic, we would (and we did) make it work. But why the past tense?

Those times are gone. You fly the way you filed. Only as planned, or very standard directs, only the flight level you filed. Even if it means descending 15000 ft 300 miles from your destination. If you are unable to climb to the flight level you filed, it’s somehow (grinding teeth) acceptable. But gosh, if you want higher than filed, you have to be extremely lucky to get there. It doesn’t matter, if someone who actually planned that altitude wants to stay lower. You still won’t get it. Sectors are overprotected, overload is like a red rag to a bull. It all comes down to numbers. Occupancy, entries. Nobody cares if it’s actually possible or not. Individual decisions are frowned upon. People higher up the ladder want to protect themselves from ”what-if’s”. Constant restrictions and regulations. That’s the sad truth of ATC in Europe today.

I don’t completely agree with atcruinedmyholiday, but they’ve got point. Changes are necessary, but the biggest of them is actually rather simple. Attitude.

ATC Watcher 3rd July 2025 05:20

Are you a real controller or a AI generated one by Ryanair ?
Do you really know the effects of a sector overload ?
Nice try .

mrfunex 3rd July 2025 19:39

Load balancing by Flow Control between sectors... Most operators flying very similar aircraft over very similar distances want similar cruising levels. Everyone can’t have exactly what they want, but we can give most flights as close to that as we can. European airspace is incredibly busy.

Una Due Tfc 3rd July 2025 21:02


Originally Posted by Scope (Post 11915113)
I’m an air traffic controller somewhere in Europe and I used to be proud of my profession. We provided service, we did our utmost to get aircraft where they wanted to go. We truly earned our salary. Directs, altitudes, you name it. We were always happy to take additional traffic, we would (and we did) make it work. But why the past tense?

Those times are gone. You fly the way you filed. Only as planned, or very standard directs, only the flight level you filed. Even if it means descending 15000 ft 300 miles from your destination. If you are unable to climb to the flight level you filed, it’s somehow (grinding teeth) acceptable. But gosh, if you want higher than filed, you have to be extremely lucky to get there. It doesn’t matter, if someone who actually planned that altitude wants to stay lower. You still won’t get it. Sectors are overprotected, overload is like a red rag to a bull. It all comes down to numbers. Occupancy, entries. Nobody cares if it’s actually possible or not. Individual decisions are frowned upon. People higher up the ladder want to protect themselves from ”what-if’s”. Constant restrictions and regulations. That’s the sad truth of ATC in Europe today.

I don’t completely agree with atcruinedmyholiday, but they’ve got point. Changes are necessary, but the biggest of them is actually rather simple. Attitude.

I'm a controller in Europe and where I work is nothing like what you describe. I'm not convinced you actually are an ATCO because any ATCO gives directs wherever possible because if it gets that aircraft out of their sector faster then it reduces their own workload too. You would also know how the CHMI works and why.


TrafficTraffic 4th July 2025 02:04


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 11915640)
I'm a controller in Europe and where I work is nothing like what you describe. I'm not convinced you actually are an ATCO because any ATCO gives directs wherever possible because if it gets that aircraft out of their sector faster then it reduces their own workload too. You would also know how the CHMI works and why.


ATCO name checks out

Senior Controller 4th July 2025 07:27

@Scope : joined only 2 days ago, first post is controversial and looking like a chat GPT generated text , friendly to this " atcruinedourholidays" web site Ryanair campaign . I leave it a bit to see his eventual response before deciding to close this thread or not.


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