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HEATHROW DIRECTOR 26th January 2014 20:24

If the chap is applying to NATS then, if succesful, he will end up as an ATCO. Sitting with an A/G op at a tiny airfield will not be of much benefit.

I've never heard of LITAS!

chevvron 26th January 2014 21:02

Low Intensity Two colour Approach System Bren, showed green for 'on GP' and red for 'below GP'.
We were taught about it on our aerodrome course (it was still in the 'Air Pilot' too as far as I recall) back in '72, and told the last ones had just been withdrawn. I think it was used as a cheap system on smaller airfields prior to VASIs, which were in turn replaced by PAPIs.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 26th January 2014 21:38

Ahh.. many thanks T.

055166k 27th January 2014 08:39

Ask about Snowsods.....they're about the right vintage from last century....or perhaps FIDO?...even older.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 27th January 2014 09:02

Paper flight progress strips... felt-tip pens....

ZOOKER 27th January 2014 09:16

The Tapley Meter.

chevvron 27th January 2014 10:10

Same vintage as LITAS was AAI (Angle of Approach Indicator) but even I can't remember how that worked, although I did see one on Peter Cadbury's airfield at Preston Candover (now long gone)!
OK then, from the 'Manual of Air Traffic Control' (no not 'MATS Part 1), define 'slush'.

ZOOKER 27th January 2014 10:31

Without even looking..
SLUSH. - A water-saturated snow, which with a heel-and-toe slap down action with the foot against the ground, will be displaced with a splatter.
Sorry Chevvron, that's MATS Pt1.
……Dashes upstairs to consult MATC Pt.1, (which also contains some Preston procedures too). :ok:

ZOOKER 27th January 2014 11:30

Sadly, the SI dealing with Reporting Of Snow And Ice is missing.
The last amendment was 1973.

phiggsbroadband 27th January 2014 16:14

From the days when you needed a good 'Radio Voice'....
Or Morse Code at 25wpm.


Position report 1950s style - video

chevvron 27th January 2014 17:41

Don't have access to MATS Pt1 as I'm not at work, but doesn't it say 'displaced sideways with a splatter'?

Talkdownman 27th January 2014 18:06


Originally Posted by chevvron
Don't have access to MATS Pt1 as I'm not at work

Why would you need MATS Pt1 at an AFIS unit? Everything you would need is in CAP797...

ZOOKER 27th January 2014 22:20

chevvron,
Just checked out the latest CAP493, and the 'direction of splatter' is not specified.
Still never found the ICAO definition of 'a splatter' though.

P.S. The EGCC Tapley Meter is right here, in my kitchen. Oh, and Mr. Tapley still makes them…….And they look the same.

Freddies, ignore all this banter. It won't be part of your assessment.

chevvron 28th January 2014 03:37

TDM: mystery to me too but after a CAA inspection a few years back it was 'required'.

Crazy Voyager 28th January 2014 21:52

The numbers in the AIP should be to either an assistant or a supervisor, the operational positions normally don't have published numbers.

That being said, should you call somebody who is too busy they will tell you so, in other words I wouldn't worry about it.

Vulcan Lover 29th January 2014 14:35

Memories
 
I still have my chinagraph pencil for writing on the radar screen !!


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