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Runway 31 20th April 2010 08:41

Thank you.

PeltonLevel 20th April 2010 09:42


The current restrictions are based on engine manufacturers' guidance which state that aircraft engines should be exposed to a zero rate of volcanic ash. The CAA and other authorities are working with these manufacturers to see whether new evidence and risk assessment can enable safe flight at agreed levels of ash exposure. CAA update on volcanic ash situation | CAA Newsroom | CAA
Presumably, they can come up with a new set of recommendations on exposure, inspection and maintenance?
Is there a significant increase in transatlantic traffic using the New York/Santa Maria OCAs?

classicwings 20th April 2010 13:30


Airspace is not closed. There are restrictions on IFR flights in Class A, that's all.
I think that is one of the best statements on this thread so far. Perhaps the BBC would benefit from knowing this instead of posting vague bulletins like 'Parts of England Airspace to reopen at 0900 tomorrow'. :yuk:

Minesthechevy 20th April 2010 13:46

With apologies to OTB, coz this isn't quite UK airspace I'm talking about, but I just saw the first traffic (apart from the odd twitcher) in a week go overhead. (S E France)

Since normally I can see 2-12 at high level from 0600-0100 at any one time, it was quite a surprise.



....and two minutes after I posted that, the Monday Beat-Up happened. Its usually Monday, two Mirages, low level, over or very near my house. Today is Tuesday, and it was just one.Ye Cannae Whack It :-)))))

A I 20th April 2010 19:54

It seems that all UK restrictions are lifted from 2200 this evening. Night shifts might be a tad interesting. What's the staffing level like?

A I

anotherthing 20th April 2010 20:08

Where did you read that AI? NATS web site is stating that a review will be promulgated at 2200.

NATS website:


As soon as revised accurate information is available from the MET Office on the location of the dense ash cloud, NATS will review airspace availability and provide an update to airline operators on any airspace that has been restricted for safety reasons. We will issue a further statement by 2200

Sir Herbert Gussett 20th April 2010 20:11

NATS website hasn't been updated yet.

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...etail&nid=1862

Cuddles 20th April 2010 21:01

'We will issue a further statement by 2200'

So, Terrible bloody timekeeping.

So, Nothing new there then. Moving forward eh?

eastern wiseguy 20th April 2010 21:09


'We will issue a further statement by 2200'
presumably z...ah well thats may DIL stuffed in the morning.:)

HeathrowAirport 20th April 2010 21:32

All I am saying is, very Interesting tonight. From those BAW that have just landed. :ok: (going over my house)

This is not over yet - not even close.

Alert_5 20th April 2010 23:05

I really hope that CAA, NATS and the DoT have not caved into pressure from Willie Walsh ( An arrogant, nasty piece of work) and the rest of the Airlines! Let's hope that we were really over reacting after all and Eric Moody was totally mistaken as to why all his engines stopped!!!!

On the beach 21st April 2010 02:44

Minesthe(V8)Chevy

Mine's now a Dodge Journey - ughh. Had to give back the Charger, doesn't hold 6!!

Wish I was back home under the old Amber 25 just South of BADUR looking up at the night sky, watching the old life fly by with a few shooting stars, occasional satellite and a glass of plonk in hand. Unfortunately, stuck in Canada, with a misty/ashy sky waiting til....who knows when.

Only get Super Etendards beating-up the local French airfield, back home. Can you send some of your Mirages up to NW France to liven things up a bit?

bekolblockage 21st April 2010 06:15

OTB
 

life fly by with a few shooting stars, occasional satellite and a glass of plonk in hand
Wot! Just the one glass?
Hear that sort of behaviour can be quite addictive.

Let me know when u have the fire lit - if you ever get back! ;)

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 21st April 2010 08:10

BBC News - Ash ban to remain for most of UK


Nats has allowed for "overflights" - flights that pass over UK airspace at an altitude above 20,000 feet - allowing for many flights between Europe and the Middle East and North America.
Clearly, the BBC doesn't believe that NATS is an acronym.

Bearing in mind that flight beneath FL200 was condidered hazardous, what would have been the safe procedure for handling an emergency descent? I'm thinking in terms of, say, a pressurisation loss.

I asked the question on R&N but it was either too stupid or too difficult.

LEGAL TENDER 21st April 2010 08:32

...until the first incident.

The more flights get airborne, the more likely! ;)

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st April 2010 08:59

<<Clearly, the BBC doesn't believe that NATS is an acronym.>>

It certainly was, but my understanding is that it is no longer and "Nats" means nothing. Totally and utterly stupid IMHO.

Topofthestack 21st April 2010 10:59

The next time an ash cloud descends on us we must get all the CEOs of the major European airlines, and IATA, to jump into their newest and most expensive aircraft and head towards the source. This will aid research and when the whining of the engines, and their whinging stops, then we'll know it's not safe to fly there!

ImnotanERIC 21st April 2010 11:04

alert 5:

I really hope that CAA, NATS and the DoT have not caved into pressure from Willie Walsh ( An arrogant, nasty piece of work) and the rest of the Airlines! Let's hope that we were really over reacting after all and Eric Moody was totally mistaken as to why all his engines stopped!!!!
If you knock on someones door hard enough and for long enough, I'm pretty sure they would let you in. Or call the police. I guess NATS had forgotten the local police number.

Topofthestack 21st April 2010 11:07

I think that my next trip will be by boat or train!

Second, more powerful Icelandic volcano likely to explode soon - Europe, World - The Independent ;)

On the beach 21st April 2010 13:37

Bekol

Looking forward to getting back. Try and save some plonk for you. Fire will be lit on day one of return just need some help with keeping it stoked. How's SIKOU going?


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