mr.777

Really? From my original post...

So where was the downgrading or diversion? Or did you think it best to create an imaginary one?



Back to your monkey comment; you kindly supplied a definition from the Urban Dictionary

But wait, the full definition given at the Urban Dictionary is

office monkey - A person employed in an office, usually in a subordinate, low-paying position.

Oh dear, you omitted the derogatory bits.

Let’s face it, for some reason, my simple mentioning of ATCOs wearing long shorts & flip flops to work touched a very raw nerve...

Mr.777

You initially tried to excuse this as

And when pressed you fall back on a version of the old chestnut

some of my best friends are ***** and they don’t mind being called ***** *******

I hope you'll forgive me if I remain unconvinced.

Frank,
I was given my nick name nearly 40 years ago. The first two letters are my initials. The second two stand for "Idle Git", and the "let" is from a WM, who didn't like single sylabub names.
It was given in fun, it's not PC, lighten up....'cos you're not living up to your ndp :D

it's not derogatory to be subordinate to an atco. be pleased you are employed monkey boy.......... milk and two.

ImnotanERIC

good point frank

To be frank Eric, you think the lesser spotted monkey of office would be more swish with the use of a keyboard!!!! Must be less competent after too many costa my coffees!!!!
Now go cry to mamma :{

ImnotanERIC I thought I’d preserve your post as it looked like one of those late night posts that often disappears by the morning and I didn’t want that happen.

Hope you don’t mind ;)


ImnotanERIC
Really? I didn’t know ATCOs had any subordinates; who are these people are and what form does their subordination take?

Last time I was in TC the ATCOs had to peel their own grapes :)


ImnotanERIC

I am pleased I’m employed thanks, as I imagine you are too, always nice to have the mortgage paid isn’t it :O

ImnotanERIC
Oh there you go spoiling things.

Never mind I expect being so superior it’s quite normal for you to be calling people monkey boy.

And you don’t need to do it from behind the safety of a computer screen do you! Très courageux!


ImnotanERIC
I’d suggest far more soda myself :ok:

Frank Disclosure
ImnotanEric

Honestly guys you sound like a longtime married couple..for goodness sake ..enough already..kiss and make up!:eek::}

I'm with Frank on this one!

Definately an E.R.I.C. :E

we need less office monkeys.
Surely there is an excel or word forum that you could go to and discuss issues such as "when is it acceptable to photocopy your own balls, before work, at lunch, after work or never?" etc etc etc

Don't know why all the fuss about office monkeys ? :E

http://thm-a03.yimg.com/image/1becbd74b36196ae
:ok:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...218monkey1.jpg
http://www.bayjenweb.com/r/docs/2187...office_man.jpg

http://johnsenciojam.com/JS-JAM-PICS..._Office_1A.jpg

Looks like it :}

vote no, i love those pics. good find!!

..............:ok:

The truth is always out there.............:}

yawn.........:bored:

So you wear flip flops & long shorts to work, think a lame website called crapunion.co.uk is hilarious and you like to called people who aren't ATCOs monkeys.

My, my, how clever ATCOs are.

steady on Frank, you know you dont really want to upset Dumb and Dumber - again! (ha ha!) :p

Ahh..so THATS what goes on at CTC.....



Only kidding folks. In all truth I have a few mates who work there and know its not all Starbucks and photocopying your balls :p. From my perspective and the majority of my watch, CTC baiting is 100% tounge-in-cheek. Absolutely no one I have heard talking wants people to lose their jobs etc.

Zooker - the comment about the 'chap in the yellow shirt working on the new FAB' had me chuckling.:ok:

Spamcan

frankie:



now you are getting somewhere.

To my surprise I went to a meeting today at Swanwick, and in the canteen their were ATCOs wearing shorts and flip-flops :}

Just goes to show not all you read on PPRUNE is BS! :ok:

RS

Why was your meeting a surprise? Surely that's no way to run an efficient ANSP.:cool:

You realise it not Starbucks at all now... it's Costa Coffee - Starbucks lost/didn't want (?) the contract. It is good to know that perceptions of the CTC are not always as negative as some of us fear (seriously) :).

Ah yes, but you fail to specify whether they were "long shorts" or merely "shorts"...I believe there is a huge difference between the two.

NATS working together = BA guiding principles
At BA guiding principles was set up so that BALPA and BA mgmt could work closer together to achieve "win - win" outcomes. After a while the pilots felt that it was more like a one way street of concessions - a non return valve.

It's the same with NATS working together. At the end of the day so long as mgmt at NATS and BA are rewarded with bonuses for driving down costs (your pay and conditions) then there's only going to be one outcome. Remember it's their full time job to manage you and make you "more efficient"; whilst you have to do your job and if you have the strength at the end of the day you've got to fight to keep hold of what you signed up for. Bit by bit they'll keep taking from you and it turns into the death of a thousand cuts.

WRT what you wear at work then ATCOs only have themselves to blame. Quite right that as long as you're comfortable then what you wear doesn't effect how well you do you job BUT... what you wear will have an effect on how you percieve yourselves, your perception of the status of your work and how others in the workplace look at you. Thus it has an influence in the relationship you will have with your managers. So you go into a meeting with your boss wearing flip flops, shorts and looking like a teenager whilst your manager is wearing a suit - how do you think this will effect the game? Hint - google transactional analysis.


Laters

BB

Or if they were in fact short shorts.

What a load of Humfetty Poo, [as my now deceased FIL would say]
When I am in the Public [Customer] wiew, I will dress accordingly [as when I was a F;ight Briefing Officer]....When sitting in the Tower, or on the wings, I wore a Polo shirt and slacks. As a Runway Controller, then I certainly wore shorts

exaclty, i have never heard so much old !!!!. it's invneting things like transitional analysis that is why there are so many monkeys working at ctc. we are becoming a nation of pussys.

Brilliant...downgraded further from beachwear to a bunch of teenagers. And you wonder why have no respect for management lackey office monkey-types.:ugh:
For the record the way I dress today, with the exception of my trainers (which for the benefit of our resident fashionista Frank Disclosure are vintage Air Max 90s in the old skool infrared colourway) bears no resemblance to what i wore in 1990.

As for the rest of the paragraph...I agree with the above 2 comments. Transactional analysis? WTF?

If its hot I will wear tshirt, shorts and maybe flippedy flops. If its cold I will wear jeans and a jumper. Do I give a balls what my manager thinks or anyone else..... NO!
Although dressing like a cabin boy is 777's personal choice. But i guess mister frank probably thinks that wearing a shirt and trousers may remind me that I shouldnt aim planes at one another...... Duh!!!
You work in an office, we dont.
You have office wear, we dont.
You have meetings to attend, we dont.
You are a clone, erm.... some of us aren't.

There is a fancy dress shop in Botley, big discount on shirt, ties and monkey suits if you show your ctc costa loyalty card!

Haha...very good PS, that'll be yesterdays outfit you were referring to then?! Stop off at that fancy dress shop and pick up some tea towels for yourself...you'll need them in September:}

I find it rather sad that the issue that seems to galvanise my colleagues most is not ATSAs losing their jobs, nor the pension issues, nor pay, nor NSL/NERL splitting up.......it's a complete rumour about dress code that started with a comment from a manager getting blown up out of all proportion.

And who said ATCOs were selfish? :}

Oh dear.
The sense of humour police have arrived!

What sense of humour?

Ok then.... the fun police.
Always got to bring back the NATS doom and gloom :ok:

As it happens, I am claiming my [ATSA] pension.
I have been proud to work with the majority of ATCOs....
but, there have been one or two who were PITA
Some you win, some you get out.....PD chuffin' Q
bb

While some of you think it is relevant to bicker about dress codes and whether you are more important than office workers, it is worth repeating Bucking Broncos statement that should be a warning to all of us:

Criticising your fellow workers will not improve your lot one bit but but it is obviously easier than pulling together and actually doing something constructive.

Dress codes and self importance aside. Whilst i may wear shorts and flip flops to work tommorow, i will also think about the operational jobs on the line whilst tucking into my microwaved meal (but only if i get it through security as it might have too much sauce and therefore will be a risk to national security). Hopefully so will Mr Frank and his colleagues who can rely on the faithful chef employed solely to stir fry thier lunch, which can be chosen from the varied selection of ingredients available and, who will of course be wearing an appropriate unifrom whilst doing so. Then onwards they will go for a game of chess in the garden.

After my meal i will be satisfied that although everyday at work we are reminded of how much a paper clip costs and that we have to get rid of more assistants and a few controllers to make the contract work, the large overhead paid to ctc every year is being used wisely.