Hi Jolly:ok:
Nope, you can never have too much of a good thing.
Been working on a project with not enough idle moments to allow for Ppruning.
Hard to believe, I know, but there you go.
Now, it's time again for the sport of 'button pushing'.

Cheers

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Spitfire (just for a change).

N.B.
1. Ferris, a bit over familiar there with first names.:= I don't recall that we were ever properly introduced as is the custom in polite circles, but then you don't move in such. Keep your head down in Bahrain. I'm scheduled to pop over there soon.

2. The Falcon, the point is to highlight the 'Climate of fear" induced in the ANS section of the GCAA by respectively: Stromboli, El Stupido aka Pinocchio and Jack Boots. The firing of two of the engineering staff in quick succession is not indicative of good managment skills, but then, hey, ANSA:sad: trots out the party line that all is a bed of roses there.
Uhm, don't think so!:eek:

3. Re Stromboli & El Stupido the appropriate comparison in terms of honourable behaviour would be to Briatore and Symonds

ANSA,

Thanks for your reply. Really appreciate it! :ok:

Have started reading the previous umpteen pages to read the pros/cons of GCAA v Serco so will have a good idea shortly.

Are you with GCAA and have family? If so, mind if I PM you for some info?

Cheers!

Hi Jors
Re UAE ACC:

A new sector is being introduced in three days time.
Under ICAO guidance re Standards and Recommended Practices a SMS risk assessment should have been undertaken following which the results would have been analysed and any new procedures amended accordingly. Thereafter, the results would have undergone a trial period in the simulator.
:confused:
However, Stromboli and his puppet Pinocchio deem this as an unnecessary waste of time and an affront to their combined intellect as they think that it (their intellect) is of such high level that they have foreseen all the pitfalls, etc.

Accordingly, the sector is being introduced by SATI (Supplementary & Tempory Instruction) without a SMS case or trial.:ooh:

All I can say is Thank God these two clowns neither fly nor are involved in any active controlling.

As is normal it will be left to the 'coal face controllers' to make it work.

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for that glass of Champagne,

Now, where's that Start Button!:eek:

Hi,

I'm coming over to Dubai for an interview with GAL. Any tips I should keep in mind? Are they many women working in ATC positions over there?

Chatz,

Not sure about GAL although I think I maz have heard one or two but know of 3 at UAE ACC, 2 at Sharjah and half a dozen or so here in Dubai.

Have I to visit Abu Dhabi to contact whit GCAA and to aply my app for the position of an En-Route ATC or there is other opportunity?
If so, could u give me any GCAA contact details?
Tnx in advance guys!

Guy: ?????

Not on our turf mate....they are at the military contracts, not civil. The only remotely civil operation might be Bateen which is joint user.

UAE ACC is a GAL free zone :E

Fox -Guy was talking about women controllers! I hope you have women in UAE ACC if not I would be very worried about the person on North last night!!:uhoh:

Humour on so many levels mate.....:ok:

Cheers,

NFR.

ANSA
Re your post no 285 from which I quote:

"Full Safety Case done by the SMS Manager and submitted to the Regulator for approval. The regulator reviewed the safety case and approved the plan for transition (as they did for the system transition in June last year which was again pre-empted with a full safety case which was reviewed three times at the request of the regulator until suitable for approval). The regulator is definitely not under the thumb of ANS, in fact quite the contrary, as they ride us hard about a lot of issues, which I think is a good thing, and the way it should be.

Things were in a mess here for a multitude of reasons, of which Verci was one, and we appear to be getting things right. I will let the people who work here every day and are effected by these changes speak for themselves though. I'm done with PPRuNe, enjoy".

As usual, complete nonsense.

1. You're not done with Pprune as you continue to post.

2. Things were in a mess here for a multitude of reasons, of which Verci was one, and we appear to be getting things right.
I don't remember you making any significant contribution other than to say "Yes Sir, How would you like that done, Sir. Can I wipe your a**, Sir". You were a sniveling little ar*e creeper then and haven't changed your spots since working with the 'Gruesome twosome'. It would appear that you are consanguineous.

3. "Full Safety Case done by the SMS Manager and submitted to the Regulator for approval". Uhm, how does that equate with the new sector introduction. You're worse than Tony Bliar. N.B. see above 'a full safety case which was reviewed three times at the request of the regulator until suitable for approval' Possibly 'cos your SMS case was crap?

4. The Regulator is totally under the thumb of the Advisor to the DANS, as you well know. If you remember from your ar*e licking days the Dane stopped him writing memos and letters as he couldn't do joined up writing. I had to cross check all his output. For a definitive answer re ar*e licking check with either the training section or the regulator. They'll put you straight.

5. If 'Verci was one' as you claim:
a. How come it took you two 1/2 years to catch up with the LATSI.
b. How come it took you three years to get an SMS in place having lost or denied the existence of the original unit SMS manual.

6. Don't seem to remember anyone getting fired during my tenure!!

7. Now having got an SMS in place, as you so eloquently put it, how come you didn't use it for the new sector procedures?

Essentially, my little Sunbeam, you're claiming credit for things that were in place before you were 'selected!' for the position. The previous SATCO (Bless the little fellow) is a good guy who did a fair amount of work and I see you as falsely claiming both his and my input.

If you have specific negative comments to make concerning either his or my input I suggest that you put them in writing on the forum for open discussion.

'What is very sad is when people who should know better choose to go after people and don't argue the issues.:=
'Frankly, if you start going for the person that's a tacit admission that you've lost the argument. I find that nothing short of pathetic.'

Now, following your recent little spat with Pinocchio & Stromboli, I would suggest that you start looking for pastures new, i.e. Bahrain. (I hear that you have taken an option there already). Both Pinocchio & Stromboli are vindictive little gits of the first order so I would be planning an exit strategy if I were in your position.

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.

P.S. Your quote (again, groan); N.B. For you and Ferris to be talking to each other, considering his opinion of you, quite takes the biscuit as we say in Dear Old Blighty.
"Instead we can just sit back and enjoy seeing our boys retain the ashes 4-1 this year in Pommie Land. Time much better spent"

Schadenfreude is the word that springs to mind,
good luck with any future career.:ok:

Addendum re Stromboli.

This is the man who was in charge when:

1. The ACC transferred from the OMAA APP room to the Bateen site - oops! Failure. It had to revert to OMAA due SNAFU. (He tried to blame that on Serco but couldn't make it stick).
2. The ACC had a major power outage - oops! Failure. He was the man who drew up the power plans and was responsible for putting in outdated back up generators.
3. The recent power outage at the new SZC - oops! Failure.

Bit of a pattern emerging as to his competence but, hey MATCO, give him a kiss and tell him he's wonderful but don't let Pinocchio see you otherwise he may get jealous. xxx

LoL:uhoh:

Ferris
or should I say
PricK

Lol.

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.

LoL:p

Yawn
 

Looks like someone decided it was time for attention again and decided to start shouting. Normally I see 4 year old kids doing that, but each to his own:ok:

Trailfollower
surprised that you have the attention span to read it, never mind retain and understand what was written.
You, with your lazy stupid approach, are a significant part of the problem.

Sunbeam, you're a dull bug*er. xxx:bored:
Suggest Sex & Travel
N.B. As Jors said 'button pushing' and you rise to the bait, as ever. Duh!!

Too SMART for his own good???
 

Dr. dr. help me please, I know youll understand
Theres a time device inside of me, Im a self-destructin man
Theres a red, under my bed
And theres a little green man in my head
And he said, youre not goin crazy, youre just a bit sad
cause theres a man in ya, knawin ya, tearin ya into two.

Silly boy ya self-destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
Destroy friends, destroy yourself
The time device of self-destruction
Light the fuse and start eruption

(yea, it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(heres to paranoia)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(hey hey, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this)

Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this.)

:p Nope we definitely got Girlies but none of the GALs !!!

And 10 DME that sorry that was me on North, had an incident with my headset cord as I sat down!! :\

<snipet>
Psychiatrists have developed several stalker profiles:

• The rejected stalker. This person was rejected in a relationship, and they perceive it as an insult, they feel wounded, and they are seeking vindication.
• The resentful stalker. These are self-righteous, self-pitying people who may threaten, but they are the least likely to act on it.
• The intimacy-seeking stalker. They believe they are loved or will be loved by the victim. Often they focus on someone of higher social status. This person is mentally ill and delusional.
• The incompetent. This person is socially backward. He doesn't really understand the social rules involved in dating and romance. He doesn't mean any harm.

</snipet>

Ref: Mind of a stalker

Do they test ATCO:s for NPD nowadays?

Narcissistic personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NPD persons use these as their central defence mechanisms.
Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Idealization and devaluation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Defence mechanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is the reason they are prone to be very hard to heal.
And very clever NPD persons pass the tests unnoticed.

Sometimes they can only be "spotted" when they cause "bad moods" or "bad feelings" or "chaos and havoc" among the people they interact with.

About denial. The "funny" denial mechanism is "denial of denial":

About classifications:
Sometimes they are really nasty:
Quite soon it is very very easy to see through NPD persons. Then just look completely other way. The thing they fear most is the lack of attention. Sometimes any kind of attention is OK for NPD persons. Admiration, hatred, despise, any emotional response,just name it. Just turn your attention completely away from them. Turn your emotional respense to zero with them. No "flaming". No "freezing", just complete "emotional zero". And they'll escape fast. Tangentially. It is very easy. Just a little practise. And it works.

A good metaphor is that they try to "steal energy" where they can. Then they use this "energy" or "attention" or "happiness of others"; whatever name you want to give it, for their own reasons. Often they use it to "light their light" brighter or to inflate their own ego bigger. Not always. Google "narcistic supply" for more info. They are like emotional black holes, if you let them be that to you.

http://thesamerowdycrowd.files.wordp...black-hole.jpg

And hey, we all have "healthy narcissism".
Healthy Narcissism
Narcissism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Narcissism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pointing is pointless.
Judging is just waste of time. Let the judges earn their salaries.
Blaming and accusing and prosecuting is pointless. Let the prosecutors earn their salaries also.;)

There are experts that think that we all have some milder or even more milder traits that resemble NPD behaviours. From time to time. Especially when there is high levels of pressures or prolonged mental pressures or when tired etc. The marvelous point is that when you are aware of this you can choose different behaviours. Every time. Quite soon they become new habits.
"You're going to reap just what you sow..." Lou Reed - Perfect Day
Sorry, about the advert. I do not work for the company advertised on the vid.
Here is the same song without the ad:
Lou Reed - Perfect Day

One thing is for sure. The managers are not tested. Anywhere. ;)
Yet.

thanks, gotta love the GAL reference. Very original. :D

Right lads...which one of you Maxwell Klingers is wearin a frock???

Nothing to worry about there 10.....standard voice changes due to strapping in tightly to North and West for the adrenaline rush!! :eek:

Isaid RightTurd
Interesting that none of you have actually addressed the problem as to why engineers are being fired, but then hey, as ATCOs being superior personages (!), you don't give a fcuk:
Q.
1. Why are engineers being fired? Is it that they are incompetent, or is it that Serco/GCAA are recuiting incompetent people?" Doubt it.
Surely the selection process should be looked at and any blame should be laid at the feet of management. (ANSA, where are you, doing an Obama and fence sitting as usual).
2. Why did the ACC power system have an outage if the "SMS" was prescient?
3. Why has the MATCO not replied to the concern of his little "spat" with the 'Twins?'

Again, I say: What is very sad is when people who should know better choose to go after people and don't argue the issues, 'Frankly, if you start going for the person that's a tacit admission that you've lost the argument. I find that nothing short of pathetic.'

Yipee,
good research. Very impressive and for the average ATCO well above the median. 10/10+

Narcissism is not the issue.
The issue is the incompetence of Pinocchio & his mentor Stromboli. Neither are qualified to do what they do. They rule by fear. Pinocchio is fundamentally stupid (I trained him and got him through his initial ATCO validation) and Stromboli, while not so stupid, is locked into what they did in EKCH 35 yrs ago.

Now, Yipee and ISadRightTurd, look at the problem and address it.
In the mean time whlie Stromboli & his catamite puppy Pinocchio continue in their miscreant ways ask why Stromoli uses a non standard LoA with adjacent units. ICAO has a standard LoA format but Stromboli, with his superior(?) intellect chooses to use his own. WOW!

So, my little detractors, ask why the place is so NON ICAO compliant and further ask what would happen if you were ever in a serious incident or even, God Forbid, an airhit situation.
Ans. Under this regime you would be toast and on your own.

No one is doubting your personal competency as controllers but what I would doubt is the integrity of your employers in a difficult situation.

Keep looking over your shoulder.
Ciao Bambini:ok:

Paranoia, remember Stromboli and Pinocchio are out to get you to protect to their sorry liittle asses.
Actually, further to that that, brings recall of a memory in which Stromboli made mention of someones's sorry little ass.
Perhaps that makes sense of his selection of the HODs of TRN & SRG!!! He's very fleet of foot!! Nudge, nudge, wink, nod!!!!

Addendum.
Now,basically I don't give a flying fcuk what you silly little buggers think. I only care for the standard and quality of the unit, which is currently being degraded on an international scale. You have some tremendous people there and Pinocchio & Strombioli are holding the place back.
So, I'm now off to BKK next week for culture, Guinness and shopping and also to team up with some of Reagan's children (ISadRightTurd take note), xxxx

OneSadrightturds
Having actually noticed what you posted I reply for the record:
!. been married several times
2. qualified as an ESF ski instructor
3. qualified as a Guide du Montagne.

Basically lived life to the full, and you?

Now, va te fait enculer:ok:

Vercing....Now that WAS below the belt...... get a frickin life dude....

As you said yourself...too much of a good thing the ole theakstones!!:yuk:

VERCI - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNN!!!

You made your point a million times and try to keep nailing the same people. You are BORING and noone cares about what you say. Go get a life man or get laid or something!

Holy fcuk!!!!! Are you $hittin' me! That's... that's... that's, no, words escape me.

And who can blame the poor ladyboys for leaving you.

Me thinks I may have touched a nerve pointing out the similarities of the mudslinging 'ole Verci does to a unit that doesn't want, know or remember him to stalking.

Turds to me I guess.

Old man, I wasn't even BORN when the PATCO boys took their break. But I was sure there when they came rushing back!

The boys that got fired. Lots of common ground then, hey NotSo.

Stockholm syndrome

Psychological explanations

One theory to explain the Stockholm syndrome is cognitive dissonance. (n.b. already mentioned in a previous post with reference to the MATCO). Specifically, people don't like being unhappy for long periods of time, but when people are kidnapped for a long period of time, they will be unhappy for that time, unless they come to love their captors. Thus, to resolve the cognitive dissonance, the victim may begin to identify with the captors.

Psychoanalytic explanations

The Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological shift that occurs in captives when they are threatened gravely but are shown acts of kindness by their captors. i.e Stromboli & El Stupido. Captives who exhibit the syndrome tend to sympathize with and think highly of their captors, at times believing that the captors are showing them favor stemming from inherent kindness. Such captives fail to recognize that their captors' choices are essentially self-serving. When subjected to prolonged captivity, these captives can develop a strong bond with their captors, in some cases including a sexual interest!!!
According to the psychoanalytic view of the syndrome, this tendency might be the result of employing the strategy evolved by newborn babies to form an emotional attachment to the nearest powerful adult in order to maximize the probability that this adult will enable — at the very least — the survival of the child, if not also prove to be a good parental figure. This syndrome is considered a prime example for the defence mechanism of identification.

Re the unit, it is not run as per ICAO Standards and Practices but the above should highlight why this is so.

Re the personal plaudits.

Blueskye
yep, at the ESF in Chamonix, then in Meribel, Courchevel and Val d'isère. You should try the Haute Route sometime, if you're up to it.:\

1sadrightturd.
Not too many PATCO got rehired. I like your euphemism "took their break". Neat, when the old cowboy fired over 11000 of them and turned american aviation overnight to the status of the 3rd world. A status it hasn't really recovered from. I'll be dining with a few ex PATCO guys this week and will let them know that they needn't worry as the FAA is (was) full of hotshots like yourself?:eek:

Falcon.
Refer you to Jors Trullie's earlier post re button pushing.:confused:

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.:ok:

ROFL:)

Superiority Complex

The term "superiority complex", in everyday usage, refers to an overly high opinion of oneself; in psychology, it refers to the unrealistic and exaggerated belief that one is better than others. In Verci, this develops as a way to compensate for unconscious feelings of low self-esteem or inadequacy.

The socially awkward children may convince themselves that the reason they cannot connect with more forward individuals is because they are more intelligent and sophisticated than them. In adults, even business executives may put on a tough facade and try to make others think well of them, but inside they feel inadequate and do not respect themselves. Therefore, those exhibiting the superiority complex may project their feelings of inferiority onto others whom they perceive as 'lessers', possibly for the same reasons for which they themselves may have been ostracized.

Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggerated opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, persistent attempts to correct others (regardless of whether or not they are actually correct), vanity, extravagant dressing (intent on drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, over-sentimentality and affected exaltation, snobbishness, a tendency to discredit others' opinions and over-forcefulness aimed at dominating those considered as weaker or less important. The conscious awareness of one's delusion typically results in a temporal phenomenen called cognitive dissonance, which may or may not serve the purpose of bringing that person back "down to earth".

Which of these do you display Verci?

PS: I can also Wiki.

Verci,

I'm sure this has already been suggested, but in a vain attempt to put a stop to this thread and prevent it descending further into more back-stabbing and intellectual one-upmanship...

You no longer have a genuine vested interest in what goes on in the UAE. Get off your soap box in the Philippines, grab yourself a cold one and forget all about it, once and for all. The people here are big enough and ugly enough to know what (and who) the problems are. You don't need to keep telling everyone what's going on here....they already know.

Your relentless rants and drivel do you no favours and it is not what these forums were designed for.

RD

GAL?
 

Sorry everyone

I know this is likely to be seen as a bone question but I have searched through the thread to no avail. What are GAL like as a company? What sort of starting salary/package for ATCOs are they offering?

Rgds

Grabbers

Grabbers - I strongly suggest you start a new thread! GAL are a contractor, I think from the UK but I could be wrong, and they provide ATCOs and assistants to at least one UAE military airfield (TWR only). You'll probably find more on www.flightglobal.com and serious Google search.

To everyone else........Red Dragon is spot on. This thread started about Dubai with UAE ACC as an adjunct question. It's turned into a mixture of political intrigue and jockeying for position, ALL about UAE ACC. The mods should shut it down.

Awesome! We are at page 17 and still nothing remotely constructive on the thread...gotta be a record unless you try and take on the Ozzy '89 ers' threads and then we still have a long way to go!! :E

I might ask at this point to refrain from using words that are longer than 5 letters, hyphenated or Latin.....none of which I can readily comprehend or more importantly, could be bothered to! (Please note I used spell checker for that hyphenated word!)

Now back to your corners and let's see a fair fight....Verci you sit this one out you must be exhausted having taken so many hits on these last few rounds...or are you going to do a Rocky on us and come out swing'n yer zimmer frame !! :p

RD - hear hear..... fed up of the same relentless drivel.:ok:

Verci - if you're going to insult people / tell them where to go, at least get it right. Va te faire....... :cool:

Guy

What about changing this thread's name to UAE ACC???

hmmm
 

Scooby...didn't you lot start some boring thread called "Dubai without the baggage" some time back......?? Obviously wasn't half as interesting as his one......!!:uhoh:

Grabbers...GAL, as far as I know employ controllers for Al Dhafra. I wouldn't bother starting a new thread, Scooby would be boring if ya did that!! :ok:

Maybe if we all keep ur this malarky, we might just get to 20 pages!!:eek:

I suppose when Jolly Roger says "you lot" to Scooby, he means "those of you who aren't UAE ACC controllers with an axe to grind".

You don't get much more boring than a thread in which only 3 or 4 posters have a vague clue what those 3 or 4 are talking about, and then bore the hind legs of anyone who wants to know about Dubai (the original subject) rather than the UAE ACC. Then one of them get pi*sy when someone suggests that since the thread has suffered a 7500, a new thread for enquiries about GAL might be handy.

This thread brings to mind the experience of being in a crowd with a few Big Brother fans from a few years back. No matter what the rest of the crowd wanted, they felt the need to talk endlessly about nonentities the rest of us hadn't heard of, and cared less about. :rolleyes:

A bit like Barbour jackets, fillies and shooting eh! Those were the days. Hope you are well Lock n' Load

Good God, Hootin', who doesn't enjoy chatting about fillies!!! Barbour jackets, not to so much admittedly, though shooting talk is always fun for squicking out them that don't realise how tasty Bambi's mum is. :ok:
Anyway, I'm very well thanks. How's the Auld country these days?

Does anyone know some contact e mail of abu dhabi area control I wold like to send them a cv and my application.Thanks a lot:ok: