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Luncheon vouchers

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Clearly wasn't sarcastic enough...... not all NATS locations got them.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/worry.gif

At least I managed to keep my input relevant to this thread!

I think I've given up trying to post things relevent to the thread as no-one wants to listen and my head can't take being banged against a brick wall any more :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Anyway, we can't really complain about posting off subject on here - just about every NATSNET non-pension related news item and even the picture of the day have been hijacked by the pension issue grumblers:}

RS

p.s. VOTE YES

NO!

Mine has been handed back to the Royal Mail for delivery to Chertsey by tomorrow. Interesting that they request votes ASAP, but have brain-washing sessions for another fortnight.

Just returned my NO vote. The final straw was all the bull!!!!! that came with it this morning, "please, pretty please vote yes"...no chance.

VOTE NO:ok:

My NO is on the way too.
Did anyone else notice that the envelopes were printed upside down so they open at the bottom:D

happy days :ok:

I noticed that too...says it all really doesnt it?!

luncheon vouchers .... ah heathrow tower.. in the good old days

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If anything summarises the tactics of those trying to secure a 'yes' vote then this does.

Why not produce all the pay settlement figures and the attendant RPI numbers so we can assess the historical impact of the cap for ourselves?

We know the reason and that's the fear of the 'yes' side that staff will realise their pensions are going to be crippled by this cap and in many cases will reduce the final benefits to 1/2 salary or worse.

Even the modeller itself doesn't show the continuing huge impact of the cap after the 15 year period assuming it is scrapped at that point.

Staff are looking at losing tens of thousands and in some cases hundreds of thousands of pounds but aren't being told this.

Part of the reason they don't provide that info is that they know (sadly) it'll be mis-used to produce all kinds of fantastic scenarios one way or the other. But the information is available, you just need to actually look for it.

See the post above yours for example:

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For ATCE, STAR, MSG and in most years ATSA grades I think the most recent figures going back are RPI + 0.25, RPI, 2.8% + £500 non pensionable (representative RPI for that year was 3.4%), RPI + 0.6, RPI + 0.6

So.. That's 3 years under the cap and 2 years at 0.1% above it. This isn't exactly proving the point that the modeller (1% over the cap) gives an accurate indication of the hit you're going to take is it?

I returned my No vote today... I don't support the proposal but I do tire of the reactionary and sensationalist arguments against some of it. The reasons to oppose are strong enough without exaggerating them.

P.S. Luncheon Vouchers.... Get em.... Hate em. Give me the money instead please!

my NO is crossed and will be winging its way to Chertsey today.

My YES is crossed and on it's way to Chertsey also!

I noticed they are branch ballots as suspected, not an all-in-one count - should make the results interesting.

Now what shall we find to debate about now? :)

RS

Latest from the scientific Pension vote poll http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif

Poll Results latest

NO ....81%....86 http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

YES....19%....20 http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif

Looking conclusive so far......and remember this, Management have gone from "there is no other option if you vote no" to "It depends on the size of the No Vote" ... FACT not fiction ! So what does that tell you? Basically, they have another option and have been , lets say, economical with some of the facts and will be caught out if the no vote prevails!
If you vote yes, you are a turkey voting for XMAS
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Vote Here http://static.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon2.gif
http://snappoll.com/poll/301858.php

VOTE NO :ok::ok::ok::ok:

MERRY XMAS

My NOvote is also on its way today.

Some of you lot would make me laugh if this wasn't such a serious issue.......

Empty barrels make the most noise.

Let folks vote as they see fit without you trying to coerce them with big colourful letters.

It's nobody else's business which way you voted..... just be sure that when you place the cross that you know the ramifications of your actions.

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Now what shall we find to debate about now?

Don't give up yet - the ballot hasn't closed and when we know the results from the three sections we will be able to debate the consequences!:O

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Let folks vote as they see fit without you trying to coerce them

Yes, coz the Union bull!!!!! that arrived with my ballot paper this morning was IN NO WAY attempting to coerce me to vote YES was it now??

Vote NO, loving your work mate....have you considered a career in graphic design? Good pension I hear.....:}

Funny you should mention the propaganda that arrived with the ballot paper..... I too threw the lot in the rubbish bin :}.
Quite frankly the Union speel was embarassing and a last ditch pathetic attempt to save their shoddy positions:mad:

I am a NATS atco who is over 18. I can make my own mind up over which way to vote without the rantings which go on from certain people on this thread. Vote No did you read it before it went in the bin,and when are you putting yourself up for a union rep as everybody else seems to be doing a bad job

I didn't read it, at least not fully. I don't wish to represent anyone as a rep, but thanks for your support :ok:, and I agree with your comment that "everyone else is doing such a bad job" :{

vote no
you did not read it and you do not wish to represent anybody you are talking Bull!!!!