Not at all. That's certainly not the only way to gather useful information either.


10 years of foreign habits and phraseology to un-learn. (Sigh) You would be a project.

(yawn) You'd be pretty low on the senority list at my facility. MY EOD date is 1979.

Well, I didn't intend to debate the neocons' fantasy of installing a peaceful Starbucks franchise in hundreds of foreign villages. But you might consider that those same neocons are presently in charge of deciding who's a security risk, and who's not.

In any event, disregarding our obvious difference of professional opinion about security, it seems a moot point. Anyone with that much distaste for the U.S. Govt would obviously never be a good fit as an employee of same. And it wouldn't take a Major Burns to figure that out.

"Cheers".

Mr Vector,

Maybe the wrong day to discuss this however what does a belief in a government have to do with controlling airplanes? Governments come and go, policies change, but at the end of the day we do the same job. I could not care a less where a military aircraft is going, he has a job to do and that is that.
I don't know how much you know out side quite an insular country but terrorism is not new and most of us have lived with it all our lives. If we let it control us, then they will win.

God bless, we will remember September 11th.

Force,

I understand your point, and while I have only had the pleasure of visiting Europe once for two weeks, and Mexico once or twice too often, your point is well taken. All I'm trying to point out is that most U.S. Controllers are Federal Government employees, and some of us work quite closely with our military units over here. In fact, the U.S. military seems to slowly be getting out of the ATC business, and turning it over to civilian DOD and FAA controllers. As such, the Federal Govt is, for better or worse, very picky about who they hire, or even let visit our facilities nowadays. Paranoid is probably not too strong of a word. I just don't see that changing soon in our present political environment, that's all.

As I said in my original post, Personally, it would be very interesting to work with some folks with different backrounds.

Thanks for your sentiments. :ok:

ATCO94 asked Well, I volunteer to travel the world to investigate this although it may take a while. Just need someone to fund this investigation... ICAO, IATA, Boeing, Airbus, NASA, UN, any takers!!

I'm rather happy that Terry Taleban from Terrorstan can't get a job on the adjacent sector. Long may it remain that way.

So no avid Democrat voters or conscientious objectors currently employed by the U.S. govt.

HJ- sunrise to sunset
 

Hi all..can someone clarify how did HJ came about? Is it a code derived from a foreign language?thnxs for replies

@ veloo maniam

Like various other aviation words/abbreviations: French!

HJ : horaire de jour
HN : horaire de nuit

HJ
 

Hello Moira..many thnxs.:ok:

ATC Standards
 

Though the comments and subterranean political issues are interesting, I would find it interesting if this thread could creep back to discussing the original question – though I do wish I could’ve joined Verc in his short recess from the Sand Box.

So, in terms of providing the same standard worldwide, my comment is, “Not even close.” Of course there are observable differences twixt each controller, and sometimes what appear to be significant differences in standards between otherwise similar ATC units, even in countries or jurisdictions with “mature” aviation systems, philosophies and infrastructure.

Having said that, the pressing issue in terms of worldwide ATC is levels of safety in certain geographic areas. The situation is entirely comparable to that of aircrew and air operator safety levels in those same areas. I.E. In those parts of the world where the resources and the culture (meaning corporate and regulatory cultures) are weak or non-existent, the situation is dire. In fact in those places where the problems associated with luck of funds, corruption, training, equipment, etc exist, they are usually worse in terms of ATC than flight ops. Why? ATC expertise in the regulatory realm is less available; ATC audits and auditors are far fewer; and ATC is most often a lesser priority than air carriers and pilots, regardless of resources.

As someone who has been involved in ATC on four continents I can tell you the levels of ATC provided at each end of the scale are as far apart as Venice Beach and Jeddah.

Grizz