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belk78 13th January 2008 11:21

Situational awareness
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU

What do you guys think of this?
It really gives me the chills..

Right Way Up 13th January 2008 11:45

Very low SA displayed by ATC & the United crew. However very high SA and assertiveness displayed by the USAir crew. Thank god somebody was on the ball.

fisbangwollop 13th January 2008 12:56

Watched that on our TRM last year.......just as well someone was on the ball that day!!!!!!

055166k 13th January 2008 13:13

Logical question would have been:
"What is your heading?".....or.."What direction are you pointing?".....or similar.
[from controller of 30+ years]

NorthSouth 14th January 2008 13:18

I presume they were in LVPs with no SMR?

NS

zkdli 14th January 2008 17:32

Correct NorthSouth:O

Red Four 14th January 2008 17:43

Does anyone know if there was any follow up after this?

fireflybob 14th January 2008 18:43

Looks like a very close one to me!

How long will it be before ASMI becomes a mandatory requirement when LVPs are in force?

JustaFew 16th January 2008 17:43

When SMR becomes alot cheaper.
In the meantime, behind the follow-me vehicle...

belk78 16th January 2008 21:37

I know the authorities might not see the numbers this way, but it is a lot cheaper than three or four hundred lives, is it not?

Charlie23 16th January 2008 21:55

Lessons learnt
 
This should be an essential training video for both pilots and controllers during the LVP/Cat III lesson - it just puts the message accross in a nutshell:D Just think what would have happened if the pilot hadn't stepped in with a reality check!! I couldn't bare to watch it more than once as I found it painful - this will teach controllers more than any pile of lesson notes or manuals!

Tarq57 16th January 2008 22:45

I've seen this three times at work, once during unit cyclic training, again on a TRM (like CRM) course, and on a human factors course.
Very easy to pass judgement after the event when you aren't the one sitting in the foggy tower with the mind made up. (But, man! Was her mind made up or what?)
If anybody wants the powerpoint (same as the vid), pm me. [edit] It's 6.34Mb

WhatUMean 19th January 2008 04:43

its a great TRM training tool, there are so many "Human" factors to this, not just the technical failings of no SMR etc.

faraaz 19th January 2008 23:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofPH1y9vuw&NR=1

Thought it might be of some interest...contains a longer audio version and a reasonably decently modelled makeup on Flight Simulator.

WhatUMean 20th January 2008 14:06

Think the powerpoint with the video is still the best to see exacltly whats happening.

It really does have so many learning points, and fortunantly people got to learn without any actual disaster happening

Dream Land 20th January 2008 14:48


Very low SA displayed by ATC & the United crew
The only person with LOW situational awareness was ATC, lol, totally clueless. :ugh:

RadarRambler 22nd January 2008 00:40

Its interesting to see when all is going wrong, and she gets flustered, she turns to the one thing she knows what happening rather than sorting out what she doesnt, she tells the A/C thats virtually the only safe one on the apron to report his position, even though she already told him hold position inches off stand!

There so much more to this video than the lost pilot, it shows so much Human factors, it unfortunate that it ever occurred, but is such a great teaching aid to everyone, if you look into it more deeply.

Dream Land 22nd January 2008 03:23

RR, yes I agree with your observations, she seems to get very irate at the pilots, like she's speaking to a bunch of disobedient children, very unprofessional.


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