Troublesome types ?
 

Following a favourable but just about do-able ATC clearance last week, I was recounting to my (much younger) colleague my experience of a familarisation trip to LATCC circa 1987. My most vivid memory is of the sigh with which a BAC 1-11 was received as it transitted between sectors.

There were various comments about its inability to make clearances, speeds, levels etc etc - all in good humour I might add; but a definite sense of having to work to thread a 1-11 through the other traffic !

This got me thinking about the 21st century equivalents; if indeed there are any in this world of largely homogenous performance. I am very well aware that over-performance can cause the converse problem and also of the issues caused by the large russian a/c operations - but are there still troublesome types?

Just a guess.....A340s!

or the jumbolinos...

A340's in the climb.

146's - too slow to stream with the bigger jets and too fast to go with the turboprops (depending on who is flying it)

The Dash 8 Charlies...anywhere

The MYT DC10's that get dusted off in the summer.............nice

All of the ones with pilots in them moving under their own power!!!:} ;)

good one flybhoy!

In addition to the others just mentiones........an A321s eems to perform as badly as an A340 when fully loaded.

Nothing worse than a 319 behind a 321 and trying to keep them spaced on Departure.

Some of them being towed, with no flight crew in, too! :E

Good point Gonzo :ok: Sometimes people forget the stuff on the ground can be as troublesome as the stuff in the air...and before any smart-alecs chip in, saying "stop" isn't necessarily the answer
Tori

More an approach thing maybe, but the dreaded sheds... climb worse than a cessna when full.

FK50s - They just don't go up
Typhoon - goes up too quickly
Anything that calls itself "Reach"

A330 climb rate improves to 300fpm when expediting.

Climb rate of an A330?

I thought it was due to the curvature of the Earth.

Try an IL76 that just manages to scrape up to 2500, maybe even a whole 3000 feet about 25 miles from the departure runway, while the radar processor can't quite decide whether an up-arrow or down-arrow is appropriate.... Then he decides to accelerate and the down-arrow is right. Such a joy.

Any twin engined helicopter climbing on a single engine.
Any twin engined helicopter with both working,ploughing into a 60 kt headwind,for the ILS with a jet behind it.:D
Any aircraft that asks for push and start,with the baggage truck and steps still attached.:}

Robinson R22/ R44

ATR 72, with any sorta Ryanair or easyjet coming behind!!

Dash8,

Any Nxxx reg out of WU or GW - especially if flown by pilots who don't know the procedures

What about Tupolev Tu-154s?

I hear they scream into the flight levels at lightning pace.

That's the pax screaming when they realise they're on a Tupolev