My point exactly Number2.........:D

As my old granny used to say,

"It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice"

Arkady, the reply was directed at you because I was having a general rant about how important it was not to demotivate the students and I did not closely check who had said what!! Also I felt that the OJTIs come in for a lot of unwarranted criticism when they are working extremly hard. Next time I will check more closely who wrote what and to whom!!

63000 Triple Zilch

ATC 101: RTFFS ;)

And check your PMs

booke23 - did you even know him?

I did hear he was one of the few people that wasn't afraid to speak up against certain instructors. The College management doesn't seem to like people who have their own opinion.

I don't think RAFALBERT's experience at Cranwell will have taught him much about civil area control - maybe he's not been in the RAF long enough to be institutionalized!

I'm sure he wasn't the first to speak out against some instructors.........granted most people who may have had words to say about an instructor in the past, probably only aired these views as they were being shown the door after the axe fell.

I think in general if you manage to rub a few people up the wrong way and become unpopular.......it's human nature to unconsciously be less sympathetic when the person in question starts to struggle.......however wrong that might be.

63000 Triple Zilch,

It has been a long time since I had such a huge bite. If I am going to be this successful I will have to take up fishing again!!! Still, it is good to see that some people are passionate about what we do and it is a shame that not everyone is.:ok:

My impression is that people are more passionate about the money in their pocket!

I'll agree with you there Number 2. Fortunately there are a few that seem want to see the company do well and can't cope with change of any type. We constantly need change to keep things moving, and if NATS are going to compete with their European competitors then there is going to have to be a lot more change. The only way of convincing the average ATCo on the shop floor is by throwing more money at them; it was the only way they got OPM through and look at the shambles that turned out to be!!! I remember many of the ATCOs praying that the Swanwick system would fall over on day 1 of Swanwick back in January 2002 - what sort of person would wish that on the company that pays their wages? The same is happening at MACC, they are really kicking up a stink because they are going to have to move to Prestwick. They could always leave their jobs and try and find work getting roughly what they get paid now for doing the same hours. Good luck to them because they wouldn't get close to what they get paid now. I am sure I remember reading on the contract that the post is a mobile grade and as such, the job holder will be liable to transfer to any part of the British Isles in the course of their employment. Still, I digress, what were we talking about....oh yes money, the way to an ATCO's heart!:O

Fred;

First of all, it isn't a "shop" floor. It is a control room. Now that said, we ALL work for MONEY. It's how we pay for things that our families need. I for one have worked for less than I make now and did it gladly. I loved the job, and I still do. However, if my union can get me more money that too is a wonderful thing. I am NOT going to pass up more if available. Do I feel that we are worth what we make? Yup, sure do, because it is one of those jobs that we have proven not all can do, and it has also been proven that between the stress of the job and the work hours, it lessens one's life span.

regards

Scott

Scott

If you are concerned about your life being shortened - find a new job!

I agree with Fred - few jobs where you'd earn the same money, work the same hours and wear just about anything you want to work!

Oh, and chill out about calling it a shop floor!

Scott

Isn't it time you retired??