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5milesbaby 22nd May 2005 22:35

Rule of thumb (literally)

If set at 60nm range, a width of thumb is required to ensure 5 miles between aircraft.

Only works if you have my thumbs though :ok:

jtr 23rd May 2005 02:38

Inertia has no part to play in an a/c performing a balanced turn.

Lift vector tilted etc

cjam 23rd May 2005 03:48

Seeing as inertia is a masses resistance to a change in velocity (as in direction as well as speed) shouldn't it have an effect? Or does it not apply around the axis????...I can see that once the turn had started it would progress at the same rate and radius but I thought entering and exiting (ie changing velocity) would be slower.
cheers (go the boffins)

jtr 23rd May 2005 04:32

As a dedicated layman in this field, I am sure someone will correct my terminology, but to try and explain further (thread drift alert)

The force being applied to change the a/c direction is proportional to the mass of the a/c.

Large a/c

L = W

Small a/c

l = w

The turn force comes from the tilted lift vector.

As simple as I can put it.

Distinctly 24th May 2005 06:42

Rule * - When providing a RIS to military pilots and calling traffic to them expect a request for an upgrade to RAS when the conflictor is within 2 miles! Every time!

Whipping Boy's SATCO 24th May 2005 07:05

Distictly, of course the mil pilot rule of thumb is:

Never expect a RAS from a civvi :p

My ATC rule of thumb:

If you can't do it, teach it
If you can't teach it, examine it

Carbide Finger 24th May 2005 07:20

I give out RASs occasionally, just never to the Mil. :E

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 24th May 2005 16:00

<<If you can't do it, teach it
If you can't teach it, examine it>>

And if you're utterly inept at all those things.... manage it.

All I can say about this lengthy discussion is that my eyes were badly deceiving me for 31+ years!


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