Heard someone crossing the channel recently calling himself - golf pah pah per pah per pah. Reminded me of Ronnie Barker in Open All Hours.

The UK RT Manual CAP 413 says pah-pah (i.e. emphasis on the second syllable). I imagine that is derived from the appropriate ICAO Annex but I don't know for sure.

Common Sense
 

From an ATC point of view I normally use the callsign phraseology used by the pilot .....it is the one he/she is most likely to respond to. Manuals are for guidance rather than blind obedience in every single case.

Off topic a bit, but do you know anyone who actually uses, 'tree' , or 'fife'? Let alone niner.;)

Me neither:p

Yes I do; I know quite a few who use "phonetic numbers" and use 'em myself.

WF.

Also off topic but... Local pub quiz, table round was to write out the phonetic alphabet.

One entry came in with 'M - Mayday'. :\

Good God!!!

In that case, I'd call mayday almost every time I go flying.:\
WF.

Ah, but for purists "phonetic numbers" are unaone, bisotwo, terratree, etc......

Except, of course, for the case in whch the manual says that manuals are for guidance only. THAT manual you'd follow with blind obedience, even though your blind obedience would indicate that you're only using that particular manual for guidance (which makes it OK I guess...), no? :hmm:

Dave:D

WelshFlyer, I too believe that verbal comms will remain in the future, but I can't see how on Earth (sic) ground-based microwave could replace satellites. They are both line-of-sight, but satellites hold the advantage of having a somewhat broader horizon. Two-thirds of our planet is covered by water and then quite some more by deserts of both hot and cold variety. The sats have a distinct advantage there.

The relatively small high-density population regions, TMAs and towers will most likely end up on microwave, but the vast majority of global airspace will need spacecraft for communication, be it verbal or datalink. These systems are already well advanced in development, used operationally by many, and have already been defined. It is now just a matter of when, rather than if, they become globally adopted, with economics and politics controlling the rate of adoption.

There is still plenty of time remaining, however, to hone those skills on NDBs, VORs and Tacans, and of course HF, V/UHF and the phonetic alphabet ;)

Just to keep it vaguely on topic, I tend to say Pa-Pah, Ke-bek ----- and Nine-er whenever comms or "local conditions" may be in doubt.

Sadly, Bern Oulli, Fox Easy is but a fond and distant memory for many of us, but also still surviving!

I didn't think of line - of -sight:( and I suoopse satelites are advanced - how many of us use GPS? (except me, I prefer MDR)

WF.

I'm Free!
 

We've got one!

Only to save him declaring everything to be free though :)

He has us rolling around whenever anyone is cleared to Ibifa :E

:) :) :)

Late,

To be fair though, it could all go garretty if he didn't! ;) :D

AIP Australia lists "P" as pah - PAH, indicating a stress on the second syllable. That's how most of us pronounce it over here.

Personally tend to stick to the books on the use of language - mainly to be standard especially when it comes to international pilots. Nin-er, Fife, keh-beck etc. I think most who choose to deviate (e.g. Fox for Foxtrot) probably do it because they think it sounds cooler ... not really a time issue here!

But I stop short at "tree" - frequency transfers in our neck of the woods become more of a toungue twister if you do that. But like LateLandingClearance, we have the one who uses "tree".

Iainpol'

In the US there are quite a few controllers who use the fife and tree....

regards

Scott