R/t
 

Can a country addopt its own R/T procedure other than the ICAO. I have heard some strange and rude ATC controlers in NZ. can we really fix them and frame them according to the ICAO

James

jamup

I don't want to speak out of turn but I've lived in NZ and have found some kiwis to be a little "blunt" in general! Can sometimes appear that they're being rude but let me assure you, it's just the way some people are!

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Jamup;

Any country can and do file exceptions to ICAO phraseology. I've found that ICAO is more of an expectatioin than a rule <G>....

Scott

Just an exemple:
What do you use for what we call a "circling approach with prescribed flight tracks" that is used to change your heading to a parrallel runway.
In France we use "circling approach" term and we always have to precise to German pilots that will be a "swing over". We usually don't have problems with other pilots.
What do you use in UK or US ? (can be usefull if a pilot doesn't understand ;) )

Priscilla.........

In the UK, a 'circling approach' is just a 'visual circuit' once tha a/c breaks off from the 'initial' approach, the tracks are determined by the crew.

A 'circling approach with prescribed tracks' (e,g, the NCE 22L/R) will have an approved Thales or Jeppeson plate.

'Swingover' is common, but so is 'Sidestep'. (e.g. NCE 04R to L)


Gerrupta Singh.......

Hi Priscilla;

Depends on what you are really saying <G>... We do have a circling approach but that is for when you are on an IFR procedure ie; VOR or ILS and want to land on other than the runway that the approach is being made to. In that case, there are circling minimums that you must meet to do it.

If you are just wanting to move over to a parallel runway while on a visual approach then that is known as a sidestep here. If you want vectors to the initial for the overhead, that is where you are IFR (normally) and get vectored or do your own navigation to a point about five miles straight in to the airport. Upon reaching that point called the Initial, you are no longer IFR but VFR. You continue straight in at the airport normally about 500 feet above the pattern altitude (different at different airports) and then fly over the runway and make a turn into the down wind where the tower instructs you too. This is known as the overhead to the break and is normally done by the military and some who fly old war birds. Or some like myself who just miss flying old war birds <G>...

Hope that this helps some.

regards

Scott H. Voigt
NATCA Southwest Region
Safety and Technology Chairman