My opinion is that, to say Yank pilots don't listen out due to the slack ATC phraseologys back home is a cop out. Here in the UAE, the Russians have terrible english and phraseologys, and while getting everything wrong they at least listen out and respond first time. I put the problems we have here with American pilots down to arrogance and laziness. They seem to feel they are gods gift to everyone so if it takes 3 trys to get them to hear us then thats our problem, not theirs. And the laziness aspect is particularly annoying with lack of readbacks and then the inevitable call 3 minutes later, to confirm what they should have readback in the first place. Although I have to say when we get the female C-130 pilots who sound sweet sixteen on frequency, they can make as many calls as they want to confirm things, as it brightens up many a bad day.

No Air Service;

I was speaking to the phraseology part of the equation. If you want to talk about how well they pay attention or know what they are supposed to do or read back... Now THAT is another thread entirely.

Scott

BALIX,

It would be great if a few of you guys from the UK could attend the Communicating for Safety Meetings that NATCA holds every year. It would help highlight some of the communication problems that you guys are encountering with U.S. Pilots.

Mike
NATCA FWA

Mike;

I love your shameless plug for my favorite Safety Seminar for Air Traffic Controllers and Pilots <G>...

Communicating for Safety
Denver Colorado
April 29th and 30th...

http://safety.natca.net/

regards

Scott H. Voigt
NATCA Southwest Region
Safety and Technology Chairman