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oneo 30th Jun 2019 18:03

LGW !! Is that normal?
 
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1505.../data=!3m1!1e3

Hi, I just wondered. If somebody here from Gatwick, how is it possible 2 aircrafts on main runway?

Doody2007 30th Jun 2019 18:18

It's the same aircraft. Just the way the photos have been stitched together to create the image.

LookingForAJob 30th Jun 2019 19:14

And on the busiest single runway operation anywhere I wouldn't be surprised to see two aircraft on the runway at the same time on a nice sunny day (admittedly not quite as close together as those on the Google map image!).

oneo 1st Jul 2019 09:24


Originally Posted by Doody2007 (Post 10506402)
It's the same aircraft. Just the way the photos have been stitched together to create the image.

So another lesson for me :) " Nothing is as it seems"

Thank you.

Dan Dare 1st Jul 2019 10:07

For heaven’s sake don’t show that to Gatwick Airport. They’ll be off to consult on the financial benefits of such utilisation and before you know it the CAA will have rubber-stamped approval for 90 movements an hour before you can say Mammon. Next thing you know they’ll be using the taxiways as runways too :rolleyes:

topdrop 1st Jul 2019 12:28

Had a member of the public ring Cairns ATC to report a crashed Dash 8 on about a 2 mile final. Ascertained that the person was looking at Google Earth and the aircraft hadn't moved for over 10 minutes.

anotherthing 17th Jul 2019 13:41

Gatwick is no longer the busiest single runway airfield. Hasn't been for over a year. Still busy though!

middles 21st Jul 2019 12:55

Quite correct. Wycombe Air Park is.

LookingForAJob 21st Jul 2019 13:41


Gatwick is no longer the busiest single runway airfield.
Interesting. I didn't realise KK had lost the crown - presumably this is not because numbers of movements have reduced particularly. So even more interesting to see what the current 'busiest single runway airfield' can teach the team at KK! (And I have researched the current numbers :).)

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Jul 2019 14:13

As long as the "competition" isn't a clockwork mouse joint.

Packer27L 21st Jul 2019 15:50


Originally Posted by LookingForAJob (Post 10524247)
So even more interesting to see what the current 'busiest single runway airfield' can teach the team at KK! (And I have researched the current numbers :).)

12% in ATMs is quite a difference. I hear the latest idea from Crawley is to use both runways at the same time. Barmy!

tczulu 21st Jul 2019 17:02


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 10524266)
As long as the "competition" isn't a clockwork mouse joint.

I've no idea how busy Wycombe/Booker is,but your comment of clockwork mouse aircraft is totally a load of crap.Aircraft still have to be separated safely and these guys/ girls do it very effectively.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Jul 2019 21:52

TCZ.. there is a major difference between light aircraft and IFR commercial traffic.

Jay Doubleyou 22nd Jul 2019 09:55


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 10524524)
TCZ.. there is a major difference between light aircraft and IFR commercial traffic.

Even more exciting to have a mixture of both! Like Jersey in the 1960/70s, topped out at 66 in one hour half of them IFR commercial! Not compatible with today's traffic especially wake separation minima!

middles 22nd Jul 2019 10:12

You're right HD.
IFR, Fully trained pilots who usually comply with ATC instructions, spacing on approach set up by approach radar, speeds flown as requested to assist with sequencing and if it all goes wrong the words "go around" still available.
ADV None of the above, resulting in a higher workload and scrutiny of each flight but still with the availability of "go around"

LTNman 22nd Jul 2019 10:32

Happens at Luton. One aircraft lines up at the end of the runway while another lines up from the intersection.

mike current 22nd Jul 2019 11:48


Originally Posted by middles (Post 10524216)
Quite correct. Wycombe Air Park is.

How many movements?

tczulu 22nd Jul 2019 14:57


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 10524524)
TCZ.. there is a major difference between light aircraft and IFR commercial traffic.

Indeed there is. Funnily enough after over 40 years in NATS,West Drayton then the shopping centre that is Swanwick, I worked that out.Also, a clockwork mouse driver back in the day. Thought my user name might be a clue. TC=Terminal Control. Never mind, retirement is great!😃

LookingForAJob 22nd Jul 2019 15:52


Originally Posted by mike_current
How many movements?

Given the differences between KK and TB, it might be more useful to talk about peak hour movements. But an interesting question just the same.

Gingerbread Man 5th Aug 2019 14:45


Originally Posted by tczulu (Post 10525099)
Indeed there is. Funnily enough after over 40 years in NATS,West Drayton then the shopping centre that is Swanwick, I worked that out.Also, a clockwork mouse driver back in the day. Thought my user name might be a clue. TC=Terminal Control. Never mind, retirement is great!😃

Maybe you should have written your username in CAPITAL LETTERS.


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