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SATCO 22nd Jun 2019 14:12

HDG off LAM for EGLL
 
I'm rather hoping HEATHROW DIRECTOR will be the font of knowledge on this one... I'm looking for a 'usual' heading off LAM from LLINT to LLFIN... I realise it's all traffic-dependant, but if I said 120 would I be far off the mark? Thanks in advance.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 22nd Jun 2019 16:47

120 off LAM? I thin k you're mixing LAM and BNN? Usual heading off LAM is 270, with adjustment for wind. If things are quiet 240 maybe used for a straight in on westerlies. After leaving LAM the next heading for 27L/R could be from 180 to 120 depending on everything.. Someone will tell me it has all been changed!

Doug E Style 22nd Jun 2019 16:48

The usual heading off LAM is west-ish; 265-275 normally depending on the wind. Sometimes you get a dog leg, south-west for a few miles followed by north-west for a few miles to make a bigger gap ahead on easterlies but that’s fairly unusual. The 120 heading comes a bit later, somewhere over north-west London.

chevvron 22nd Jun 2019 17:11

OK SATCO, now ask the usual heading off BIG for 27R.;)

DaveReidUK 22nd Jun 2019 17:27

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab9462facd.jpg

Del Prado 22nd Jun 2019 23:00


Originally Posted by SATCO (Post 10500409)
I'm rather hoping HEATHROW DIRECTOR will be the font of knowledge on this one... I'm looking for a 'usual' heading off LAM from LLINT to LLFIN... I realise it's all traffic-dependant, but if I said 120 would I be far off the mark? Thanks in advance.

You’re right Satco, a usual-ish heading for LAM traffic to be handed off from INT to FIN would be 120.

SATCO 25th Jun 2019 06:32

Sorry HD, that's what I meant... wasn't terribly clear initially perhaps; it was the 'off LAM from INT to FIN' I was after... I've got 270-ish OFF LAM, it was the turning HDG, 180 to 120 depending on everything, roger. I've been watching some tracking and 150 seems prevalent but if you ask me it's just too darned tight!

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 25th Jun 2019 06:38

Thing is, SATCO, the headings are determined by the radar controllers. After leaving LAM, the next heading might be downwind or base leg. There's a lot going on over NE London, noit to mention mixing them in with those coming off BNN!

SATCO 25th Jun 2019 15:18

I get all that... I'm trying to determine that notwithstanding everything else going on, 150 is too tight, 120 gives a bit more room. I've been watching some radar replays and that seems about the norm... rarely do I see 150-ish...

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 25th Jun 2019 16:42

What exactly are you trying to do and do you have any experience working in the LTMA? Once traffic has left LAM heading 270ish, the next heading could be anything from 220 to 120. I wouldn't call 150 too tight...

Nimmer 26th Jun 2019 11:35

So Heathrow controllers need to know approximately 5 headings, maybe 7, AMAN tells them the order, and TBS
provides a target to ensure correct spacing. No phone calls with EXCDS either.

makes me wonder how Heathrow is MUC, time to stroll the 8 paces to SLAG corner boys and girls ������

DaveReidUK 26th Jun 2019 16:02

A day's worth of LAM 27 arrivals:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....36d9e56b94.jpg

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 26th Jun 2019 16:32

Nimmer what is "AMAN"? I don't understand your banter old chap!

DaveReidUK 26th Jun 2019 16:40

Arrival Manager

Talkdownman 26th Jun 2019 20:40


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 10503457)
Nimmer what is "AMAN"? I don't understand your banter old chap!

'On the numbers', Bren...

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 26th Jun 2019 21:41

The best way Malcy. Glad I'm not there any more.

mike current 27th Jun 2019 04:47


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 10503634)
The best way Malcy. Glad I'm not there any more.

Well someone needs to keep the traffic moving. 2018 was the busiest year on record so forgive us for using a bit of technology to help, since airspace and/or tarmac haven't changed much since the 70s...

windowjob 27th Jun 2019 19:03

So AMAN is the modern equivalent of "You're 2 off OCK to follow my xxx of BOV" shouted across the room?

Gonzo 27th Jun 2019 20:12

Yes, exactly like that. That’s literally all it does.........:cool:

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 27th Jun 2019 20:13

I wonder how much it cost?


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