BA pilot at it again at Dublin
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUZ6oHBft4 Here we are again, BA being extremely rude to a controller at Dublin all the other pilot's reaction are absolutely hilarious! :D

Controller f**cked it up. Gave Push/start with no conditional on the speed bird, just to the Aer Lingus (atr??). All she was going after that was covering her own ass and still went on to contradict herself. No need for the BA pilot to discuss it on the RT though - file an MOR and let the investigators sort it out

Many years ago, I "messed up" badly with vectoring an AUR SH360 to what I had hoped would be a short final. The idea being to save him time & get me out of vectoring problems with following a/c. He had to go round, so no one gained, & my problems increased. I was embarrassed by this, but the only course of action was to make an abject apology - which was graciously accepted. (In actual fact, I think the Captain was a little surprised to have received it). There was, in my opinion, nothing to be gained by an investigation. I learned plenty from the experience & I never did it again; & the Captain was satisfied to have me accept culpability & to have made the apology.
Nowadays, would we inevitably have been into an official enquiry & disciplinary action? I don't think it was necessary, although I suppose you could say that other ATCOS would have gained from analyzing this event.

Despite having listened to the recording several times, I can't hear any words or sentiments from the BA pilot that could remotely be described as rude, which is more than can be said for some of the other comments on frequency.

That may be so, but their somewhat sycophantic expressions of support are directed to a ground controller who has just cleared a flight to push back into the path of another aircraft, prevented only by a vigilant tug crew.

Anyone used to Dublin knows only too well this kind of chaos is SOP. I'm the first to say that they are a little la de da at times but absolutely well done to the BA crew for remaining professional - the courtesy shown by informing the ATCO of their intention to file a report was lost on many.

The playground mentality shown by these eejits is pretty typical of an industry now increasingly populated by 121.5 dwelling man-babies. The flying career is being strangled by businesses that treat aircrew like muppets and you don't have to look far to see why.

Sort it out you lot - before the professionals all leave and you're left sucking your thumb. :ok:

100% agree with you Dave. Maybe Shannon ACC has an agenda here?

that's not quite true, they were both given conditional clearances and both of them had to wait on the same ryanair plane to park up on stand 125. If you look up dublin chart, you will see that technically BA should have been clear of conflict sooner than stobart and begin his push before him, but for some reason he didn't push. Once Stobart was cleared from conflict, it started pushing and our BA chap got upset for no reason whatsoever. It wouldn't have affected safety as the point Bravo is before point Charlie and once the push would have finished, It wouldn't have affected BA in any way..

also please keep in mind that we have a recording that's edited and originating from liveatc which hosts some 5-6 frequencies on the same feed. It's more than likely that we don't have a full conversation here, so making any sort of conclusions based on this alone is a bit silly

Well done the ATCO,fairly well done the BA....the other dicks I would have told to maintain R/T discipline.I'd expect better.

Funny how it's always BA at DUB :}

Does it really take both members of the flight deck to communicate with the ground crew??

One should be monitoring ATC at all times. I repeat, at all times. :ugh:

Well done that ATCO

BA Captain trying to throw his weight around.

If he was higher up the tree he would not be flying short taxi hops out of Dublin.

In opinion a gold plated arrogant star P*ll*ck.

Often found in supermarket car parks in the Thames valley on a Saturday morning:ok:

Just like a controller should never miss a call....like, maybe, because they're on a landline!

Let's get real! Maybe someone screwed something up. Maybe more than one person screwed something up. We all have a job to do and we all have priorities, some of which change with the situation. It was a good outcome - nothing got harmed except a bit of pride or whatever, maybe justifiably, maybe not. And everyone can screw something up, even on a good day! And on a less good day, little things can get to us all and we can behave in ways that are less than perfect.

It's hard to tell exactly what happened just from that recording - it could have been edited, who knows - but there were crossed transmissions that were not necessarily obvious to either the controller or crew (note to UK controllers - not everywhere do controllers have the luxury of off-air sidetone). And I don't know the layout of the aprons, or the comms between flightdeck and ground crew, so I'm not going to try to second guess what actually happened.

A report is going in - there's no reason to imagine that it will not be professionally investigated to find out what happened and to try and find ways to prevent a recurrence.

Controllers don't usually have any back up. Maybe an ATSA/ATCA if they're lucky and plugged in.

Flight deck by the nature of most modern airliners require two personnel at all times, therefore should be far less excuse to miss a call. In this instance, both pilots appear to have been caught out for not monitoring ATC. Do not need both to communicate with ground crew.

The recording makes it clear that the tug crew had already prudently aborted the pushback by the time the controller tried unsuccessfully to contact the BA crew, so by that stage the damage had been done (or, rather, avoided in this instance).

Well apart from clearing the pushback into the path of another aircraft, that is. :ugh:

So a pilot doing his job is now being abused online for commenting on a **** up by someone else and some muppet deems it necessary to post it online......
Shannon ATC .. if you are actually a controller and who I think you are you are an embarassment to our profession posting this ****......bullying a guy online for just doing his job.....and finding the unprofessional behavior and mobbing mentality of a group of idiots 'hilarious'

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'I wasn't listening out because we were talking to the ground crew.'

Doesn't take 2 pilots to do that.

Whether the ATCO did or didn't actually tell or attempt to tell the BA crew about the other traffic (we don't know if video has been edited), the fact remains that the flight crew should but were not listening to ATC.

What if the ATCO did actually tell the BA to cancel push and they still didn't hear due to not listening. Hardly the ATCOs fault if crew can't maintain radio discipline.

A growing problem this summer!

Nobody is going to argue with that, but in this instance it's irrelevant to the sequence of events that unfolded, which would otherwise have been:

Ground: "Speedbird 81D, stop pushback due aircraft passing behind you"

BA: "Ground, we have already stopped thanks to the vigilance of the tug crew"

Ground: "Ah, OK"

Sorry Dave but you keep saying that and I disagree with you. I see it exactly as presented in Martin 123's post. Circumstances contributed more than the actual clearances given. One thing is for sure, the BA was not cleared to push into the Stobart. The BA was cleared to push BEFORE the Stobart. When Stobart got their push clearance they were given traffic information regarding the BA. What happened in actual fact is that BA pushed late and by this time Stobart had already started their push.

Pretty basic stuff, really.

Saying, in effect, "I couldn't hear you 'cos I wasn't listening to you" is ever so slightly pathetic. Quite a lot pathetic, actually.

Cazalet33,

Assuming you're a pilot, have you never missed a call?

You're a brave man, calling my wife pathetic...

PDR