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Sideslipper 27th Mar 2016 17:02

Reporting position with transponder on
 
As a PPL flying VFR during a Zone Transit or MATZ Penetration under a Basic or Traffic Service, and squawking A & C as directed by a Radar LARS provider, why am I usually requested to "report at ....", some position en-route (usually a point(s) close to the airfield).
Why do I need to do that? I rather thought you guys would be keeping an eye on me lest I stray from the straight and narrow.:=
Is it so that we can agree that I am where we both think I am.:ok:

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 27th Mar 2016 18:11

I think it may be as a reminder for the controller who may be extremely busy. See if you can arrange a visit and you'll see what I mean.

Talkdownman 27th Mar 2016 19:32

Under a Basic Service, regardless of squawk, you are not necessarily being monitored on a surveillance device.

kcockayne 27th Mar 2016 19:33

I would agree with you, HD. Just because the a/c is identified on Radar & receiving a Radar Service does not obviate the necessity in the Radar Controller's view, to get a check at any particular point; for whatever reason he may have.

Fly4Business 27th Mar 2016 20:24

Because radar coverage is seldom 100 percent and others in the vicinity should know where you are.

ATCO Fred 27th Mar 2016 21:47


Originally Posted by Sideslipper (Post 9324995)
As a PPL flying VFR during a Zone Transit or MATZ Penetration under a Basic or Traffic Service, and squawking A & C as directed by a Radar LARS provider, why am I usually requested to "report at ....", some position en-route (usually a point(s) close to the airfield).
Why do I need to do that? I rather thought you guys would be keeping an eye on me lest I stray from the straight and narrow.:=
Is it so that we can agree that I am where we both think I am.:ok:

Quite simple really. 8 aircraft on frequency Basic Service give 8 people 1 thing each to remember rather than the controller remember 8 things - capacity management. That and trigger response; when you get to a certain area and I have something to do for your flight so ask for a check call to remind me to do it. . . .e.g. a point 30nm from the radar where I can't control you anymore so you remind me to transfer you to an adjacent unit.

Bright-Ling 30th Mar 2016 07:53

Dumping points. Simple as that.

Report abeam xxxx or Report crossing xxxx

Probably followed by a QSY

chevvron 30th Mar 2016 13:32


Originally Posted by Bright-Ling (Post 9327853)
Dumping points. Simple as that.

Report abeam xxxx or Report crossing xxxx

Probably followed by a QSY

QSY was removed from CAP 413 phraseology about 20 years ago.(or it could have been 30 years)
Thread on QSY running in 'Flying Instructors and Examiners'.

Bright-Ling 30th Mar 2016 15:00


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 9328150)
QSY was removed from CAP 413 phraseology about 20 years ago.(or it could have been 30 years)
Thread on QSY running in 'Flying Instructors and Examiners'.

Yep.

"Dumping points" are the same

Jeeeez!

chevvron 30th Mar 2016 16:09

I used to use 'report crossing the M4' as an excuse to transfer (not QSY) people to Benson.

Bright-Ling 30th Mar 2016 16:45

Isn't QSY accepted as a colloquialism?

chevvron 30th Mar 2016 16:53

Personally I don't mind, but the CAA object to its use.

ZOOKER 30th Mar 2016 17:34

Sideslipper,
I'm with Kockayne, HD and ATCO Fred. It's often used as an 'attention-getter' for the controller, who may be working over half-a-dozen other a/c. Also, landlines/intercoms will be going too. Just because the frequency is quiet, doesn't mean the workload is low.
It's not as easy to arrange as it used to be, but if you haven't done so already, do go and visit ATC........They're all very friendly folk who like chatting with pilots.........Honestly.

2 sheds 4th Apr 2016 08:21


Isn't QSY accepted as a colloquialism?
Accepted by whom?


Personally I don't mind, but the CAA object to its use.
Of course the CAA "object" to it, and so should you! - it is not one of the very few Q codes still in use, therefore it has no official meaning, new pilots/Atcos/Fisos cannot be expected to be aware of its meaning, and therefore anyone using it could create misunderstanding.

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AlanM 5th Apr 2016 03:44

Get down with the kids at Urban Dictionary.....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QSY

SilentHandover 5th Apr 2016 12:36

Well that says it all, amateur.

AlanM 5th Apr 2016 16:25


Originally Posted by SilentHandover (Post 9334228)
Well that says it all, amateur.

Happier with Novice......
You just wish you were as cool
As me, Bear Grylls ;-)

chevvron 5th Apr 2016 23:31


Originally Posted by SilentHandover (Post 9334228)
Well that says it all, amateur.

Always called 'hams' at one time.
CQ,CQ,CQ


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