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sunnySA 12th May 2016 10:36


Us airspace at night would be very similar to a lot of Aussie airspace during the day for workload purposes.
Dick, And this assessment is based on what? May I suggest you spend a few hours on a few different days over a few weeks in both Melbourne and Brisbane Centre, this may validate your claim.

Kieran17 12th May 2016 10:49


Us airspace at night would be very similar to a lot of Aussie airspace during the day for workload purposes.
My question was not one based on a workload comparison between USA and Aus but specifically on sector sizes, given that my sectors are larger than most FIRs.

Further, my question was one for USA ATCOs.

le Pingouin 12th May 2016 11:59

And golly gosh, it's 10pm in the Australian Eastern states and there are still 150+. Roll on to 2am and even then there were 90+.

InnerNinja 12th May 2016 20:01


Grizzled. Yes Canada has it sorted out. Large areas without radar coverage yet low level class E in many terminal areas. I have flown extensively both IFR and VFR studying the airspace in Canada and the USA.
Wrong!

Not one designated Terminal in Canada is Class E airspace.......

Low level Enroute sectors have absorbed airspace such as Saskatoon, Regina and Thunder Bay. They are controlled by Enroute controllers, using radar, not Terminal controllers.

Vector361 8th Jun 2016 02:42

One more thing that we do (or did) in the US was take over terminal airspace that is not open 24 hours. We provided approach control services there in addition to our own terminal areas within our en route (area) sectors. And these sectors are combined and huge for US area sectors. (And still no approach rating.) I've been retired US ATC 8 years but I would bet they still do that.

I never minded, but others refused to ever vector for approach and would require the pilots to fly airways and transitions and entire approach procedures.

tower_controller 1st Jul 2016 19:08

Yes, still very common for centers to take over approach control responsibility, generally after 2100-2200local when the approach control closes. Off-hand, it happens in parts of Oregon, Washington, central CA. That's in addition to the may more uncontrolled airports (or Class D with no associated approach control) for which the center always handles those duties.

Don't forget the center controllers who provide clearance delivery on the ground for aircraft awaiting to depart, too (obviously only works if there is an RCO nearby).


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