Gatwick spacing
Can someone explain to me how Gatwock achieves such a high runway rate per hour on one runway? Is it a one in one out system with standardized arrival gap spacing? I'm doing some research and any assistance and or advice on similar single runway airports would be warmly welcomed.
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I would assume that the Radar Controller, at Swanwick, separates approaching traffic with an agreed spacing (agreed with the Gatwick TWR Controller) designed to accommodate the requirement to fit departing a/c into the runway usage. This spacing would be based on a "standard gap" & be subject to alteration at the request of Gatwick TWR when necessary (due to the demand of heavier levels of departing traffic). Whether there is anything more intricate than that involved, I don't know.
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I should add , the obvious comment, that it is a VERY slick operation ! Well done everyone concerned.
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The NATS controllers at Gatwick have 'honed' things down finely, I have been at 4 miles and they have launched 2 departures before we were cleared to land.
Whether the new ANSP will be as good remains to be seen although I believe some NATS controllers will be staying on. |
Whether the new ANSP will be as good remains to be seen although I believe some NATS controllers will be staying on. Considering that the approach radar services will continue to be provided by NATS from Swanwick, these should remain the same. Only thing changing is half a dozen ATCOs in the VCR, as most NATS controllers are in fact staying on. Where else do they have to go :hmm::p |
Beyond the reasons stated previously, APP arrival separation and TWR dexterity, I suppose two other key elements are the design of procedures that contribute to reduce the Runway Occupancy Time and the rate of pilot compliance with these procedures.
You can find these local regulations at EGKK´s AIP [AD 2-EGKK-1: 2.20 6-Use of Runways h)]. |
Does Gatwick require to have full RWY length separation between departing and arriving aircraft?
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I should not think so. If you had to wait until you had the full length of the runway available for landing traffic (behind a departing) that would negate the whole point of running things as tight as possible.
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<<Does Gatwick require to have full RWY length separation between departing and arriving aircraft?>>
Does anywhere? |
Yes, that is ICAO standard (PANS-ATM 7.10.1, as I think you know ;) ) Some regulators are scared of the provisions in 7.11 for some reason......
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Originally Posted by M609
(Post 9280461)
Does Gatwick require to have full RWY length separation between departing and arriving aircraft?
Or When using "after the departing, cleared to land" the departure must be 2000m down the runway and airborne, or, 2500m if still on the ground, before arrival crosses the threshold. |
Originally Posted by T250
(Post 9279264)
What a peculiar comment to make.
Considering that the approach radar services will continue to be provided by NATS from Swanwick, these should remain the same. Only thing changing is half a dozen ATCOs in the VCR, as most NATS controllers are in fact staying on. Where else do they have to go :hmm::p Service from the Tower atcos will continue as it is today. New recruits being trained by current staff so no reason to think it won't stay the same. |
It will be interesting... you can't train a controller to the exacting standards required at Gatwick in a short time. It's a highly skilled job.
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Arriving aircraft are not to have crossed the start of the runway until departure is airborne.
I'm glad I've retired: |
Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR
(Post 9281003)
It will be interesting... you can't train a controller to the exacting standards required at Gatwick in a short time. It's a highly skilled job.
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HD & Chevvron are, of course, correct. At such a busy station new controllers are going to take time to "find their feet" & to build up the confidence necessary to be able to continue the "slick operation" which currently pertains. It won't happen overnight, so be prepared for some lapses in the present tight spacing & expedition.
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The Gatwick planned summer movement rate (8 hours of 55 movements), plus the "normal 40 hours" doesn't allow for lapses in spacing!!,
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Maybe not, but it's not something that you can just step in & do without a lot of training & experience. I'm sure that the experienced mentors will be keeping the new ATCOS on their toes, but I wouldn't expect them to display the same level of operational performance, on their own, straight away.
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Yep I agree, unfortunately GIP don't always understand that.
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55 movements per hour? Now even I'm really impressed.... Considering it takes some 40+ seconds to be airbourne from throttling up..
I guess it goes ok with tower separation, though a bit tight, but what is the rate in poor weather then? |
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