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safetymike 9th Sep 2011 11:06

... but wait, let's think about what GL is saying...

lots more ATCOs - that's what we've been saying too!:ok:

Now in order to do that the ANSPs will have to offer better conditions etc in order to encourage people in...

hang on...

that's what ATCOs are pursuing, and not getting, so threatening industrial action!

So by his own logic (and that of his masters) CNASO should be supporting claims for better pay and consitions.:D

(It's a happy little world I live in)

atc_ring 12th Sep 2011 19:10

Typical...
 
...obviously Mr Graham Lake is happily oblivious of what exactly ATC is all about and what it means to be an ATCO. And all this -unfortunately- coming from a person who should have known better....:bored::bored::bored:

BrATCO 13th Sep 2011 19:49

Safetymike,
Controllers ask for more working colleagues, in order to provide safety. Because we (the ones with the coal face) know we MUST provide safety.

CANSO's idea is to train more controllers, without hiring them. In order to make supply bigger than demand, thus build pressure on working controllers to lower their pays.

Not exactly the same goal.

The tactical scheme seems to be the same everytime :
-1) Propose overtime against increased incomes.
-2) Stop new recruitments, as overtime makes them useless.
-3) When traffic grows, raise overtime.
-4) Wait for controllers to be worried when overtime/work conditions become unsafe.
-5) Launch a press campain against controllers. "Overpaid" and "irresponsible" are part of the appropriate wording.
-6) As Lake said, "Come what may"...

I wonder why IFATCA still works with CANSO ?
And why they seem to agree on goals ?
CANSO/IFATCA :THE NEXT GENERATION AVIATION PROFESSIONAL

Remove the "redundant/fallible" human part of aviation professionals, replace them by very clever and servile computers, disregard the dangerous complacency and lack of technical skills this will induce in too short a term...
I guess mathematicians have proven that the "very unlikely" resulting accidents will cost less than the price of a few qualified professionals... :yuk:

Dan Dare 14th Sep 2011 14:05

Should we be doing voluntary overtime?
 
Orchestrated or not, ANSPs all seem to be increasing contractural hours to compensate for understaffing and providing no contingency.

Individuals seem to ignore their accumulated fatigue when enough money is presented to them to do overtime and when they do it often enough ANSPs could surely be forgiven for thinking that our contracts do not work us hard enough. Perhaps we should look at the bigger picture and think carefully about whether the extra pennies for today's voluntary overtime justify the inevitably enforced extra hours later in our careers.


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