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Vanilla Fudge 19th Jul 2011 09:23

LHR mixed mode ops given green light
 
London Heathrow airport is to be allowed mixed mode operations when services are severely disrupted following a final report commissioned by the UK government.
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HEATHROW DIRECTOR 19th Jul 2011 11:21

I thought those arrangements had existed for yonks?

eastern wiseguy 19th Jul 2011 12:02

Is this something you guys would practice in TRUCE?

Not Long Now 19th Jul 2011 14:48

Practiced every day, no need for truce surely?

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 19th Jul 2011 15:16

Precisely.

eastern wiseguy 19th Jul 2011 15:30

Well forgive me for asking the question.:p If that is the case why the "announcement"?

Geffen 19th Jul 2011 15:58

Simultaneous departures are not an everyday occurrence. The words in the official documentation indicate that tactically enhanced departures will be the trial opposed to TEAM which happens everyday.

Gonzo 20th Jul 2011 06:57

Yay!

More meetings! :cool:

Doug E Style 20th Jul 2011 16:51

Yay! Less holding and start-up delays! Perhaps.

Geffen 20th Jul 2011 17:13

Gonzo,

Aren't meetings a way of life for you? :)

Roffa 20th Jul 2011 21:49

As they continue to try to find more ways to shovel aeroplanes through the airport (record broken a couple of days ago as it happens) it would be nice if approach had a decent amount of airspace to do it in.

The RMA is too small as it is.

heathrow, easy life 21st Jul 2011 08:17

When you are getting towards 100 movements an hour it really does not matter which way the runways are used. However TEAM is one of the most disliked procedures used equally by pilots and controllers alike. One inbound on the landing runway can take anything up to 4 departure slots if not got quite right. Agreed more airspace needed.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Jul 2011 08:19

<<One inbound on the landing runway can take anything up to 4 departure slots if not got quite right. >>

I'm taken aback!!!!

timelapse 21st Jul 2011 10:40

Taken aback?

If a TEAM A380 gets a landing clearance at say, 3 miles, then you'll easily lose 4 minutes worth of departures by the time it finally gets itself off the runway.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Jul 2011 12:14

OK timelapes... thanks for that. Forgot about the big fella!

irishpilot1990 21st Jul 2011 15:45

What is TEAM, for us non ATC??

anotherthing 21st Jul 2011 16:32

Tactical Enhanced Arrival Mode

Landing aircraft on the departure runway.

Heathrow easy life, bit of a sweeping statement regarding it being hated by pilots and controllers. It is a big help to TC. Might stuff you up in the tower a tiny bit but the idea is about distributing delays.

If it is that bad, why does the tower agree to it so often during the day when it does not have to? Used correctly it aids the tower and TC.

Mixed Mode will help even more when start up delays exceed inbound delays... though any thoughts that it will bring huge increases in movements is laughable. The RMA might be a little bit small, but the whole TMA is under pressure.

Crazy Voyager 21st Jul 2011 18:05

Roffa, do you have the numbers for the new record? I have to update the papers I got during my visit ;)

Sorry for the off topic:oh:

Geffen 21st Jul 2011 18:32

1386 is the new record.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Jul 2011 18:43

Fantastic work guys and gals....


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