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staraviator 15th Dec 2010 07:20

anybody answer pls
 
hello friends
i am working in bangalore,india as twr, approach/area (non radar) controller. Here we are not issued an internationally valid licence. suggest me any institutes/ country where i can pursue a license personally


samotnik 15th Dec 2010 08:45

I'm afraid that there is ICAO Level 4 language proficiency requirement everywhere now.

niknak 15th Dec 2010 20:34

However, there is one college in the UK, and probably many others in Europe where ICAO Language levels can be improved upon without bigoted judgement, just an assessment of the facts.
For the record, the assesment is based upon spoken, not written, levels of competence.

Back to the question which Staraviator posed:

You would have to get a EEC recognised ATCO Licence, then, to work in the EEC, pass an assessment of prior competence in to prove yourself worthy of being able to work in that country.
The APC may lead to you being given dispensation for some of the ratings, or you having to do the whole course.
Its worth checking with each country's CAA.

Spitoon 16th Dec 2010 06:06

There really is no such thing as an internationally valid licence. Each State is responsible for issuing its own licence (or equivqlent authorisation) for use in its own territory. Many States will accept a licence issued by another State as the basis for permitting the holder to provide ATC in their own territory (although often the States' licences that are recognised are rather limited).

If you can demonstrate that your training met the Standards in ICAO Annex 1 - which are very basic - and have experience providing services in accordance with PANS-ATM etc. you should have a good start when discussing with a State's CAA how to get one of their licences.

As niknak alluded to, the situation in the European Union is a bit different - although by no means clear. There are new rules due out any day which might give you a licence that can be used in any EU State - but the requirements for getting one are far more detailed than those in ICAO. That is not to say it is 'better' than a licence issued outside the EU, just that there are far more boxes that need to be ticked in order to qualify for the licence.

chevvron 16th Dec 2010 10:23

I thought IAL (pre SERCo) used to give its controllers for posts outside the UK an 'ICAO Standard' licence.

niknak 16th Dec 2010 19:18

Cohevvron, they did, but the phrase "used to" applies to many then legal practices of IAL and many others, which would never be tollerated today.

Spitoon 16th Dec 2010 20:44

There was - nor is - anything illegal about the IAL licences that I've seen. They issued a licence which met ICAO standards - colour, content and ratings etc. - which was recognised by the States in which they had contracts.

niknak 16th Dec 2010 21:53

I never said or implied that IAL did anything illegal, but your statement

which was recognised by the States in which they had contracts.
, is an accurate summary of the state of affairs at that time.

Spitoon 17th Dec 2010 06:26

Sorry niknak, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.

The way I read your post it seemed that you were suggesting that IAL (or anyone else properly authorised) issuing a licence wouldn't be tolerated or legal today. The point I wanted to make was that it was quite legitimate then - just as it is now.

chevvron 17th Dec 2010 10:06

Co hevvron? Who he? Next time put more water in the glass.

staraviator 17th Dec 2010 12:56

thanks
 
thank u brother for ur reply


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