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JayeRipley 7th Feb 2011 13:58

Hotspot....I have the info you require but can't seem to pm you. Perhaps you could pm me and I'll send a reply..... Jaye

aldegar 8th Feb 2011 13:37


why don't you just put it on here for all to see ......then I can tell you if your right or not!!
If you know it, why don't you just tell us?

EIEIO 8th Feb 2011 14:56

Hi, could someone either post or Pm me with the package details for area Baghdad, lots of rumours! Thanks

EIEIO 8th Feb 2011 16:38

Thanks for that, IMHO that's very disappointing in just about every way, but it seems to suit some. Hope my buddies out there will be safe.

JayeRipley 9th Feb 2011 08:41

BaghdadKiwi,

I didn't post the details because I thought PPRUNE'rs liked salary details etc communicated via PM.

The details I have are the same as you published - I'm due to start soon so the info is current.

You enjoy the work out there?

Cheers!

BeT 9th Feb 2011 17:46

f@CK me,

You must be mad - are you sure a lobotomy wasn't on the pre-requisite qualification list too??:}

200kish for Baghdad - I bet Serco cant believe their luck!

divingduck 9th Feb 2011 18:36

BeT
 
I don't usually respond to trolls, but in your case I shall make an exception.:ugh:
You sir, are an idiot...or to be slightly kinder, just young and inexperienced.

You have the good fortune to be employed in Eurocontrol...petty much the cushiest number in world aviation.
To abuse people who, for reasons totally unknown to you, have decided to work in Baghdad, is simply puerile.
If you have been knocked back for the job because you lack experience and you are bitter, then get over it.
If you don't want to work there, why post on the thread at all? Seriously, why?
I would hazard a guess and say that the vast majority of controllers in Baghdad are VASTLY more experienced than you are, and have worked more traffic than you ever will if you work until you are 70 in your present location.
If you think I am disparaging the Euro zone traffic count, think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...think about that for a moment or two. Then go and sit in the corner and be quiet whilst the adults discuss matters.

End of rant. I feel better now....:E

ISaidRightTurns 9th Feb 2011 22:34

...think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...

One of these things is not like the others,
one of these things just isn't sane.

UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke :)

ISRT - out

Vercingetorix 9th Feb 2011 23:32

diver, me ole mate
$200000 per annum doesn't seem a lot when you consider that UAE ATC supervisors get approximately the same remuneration.
However, to be fair, in the UAE you do have to pay your own rent but then you don't have to wear a flak jacket and the UAE life style is a tad more enjoyable.

ISaidRightTurns is correct when he says: "UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke:)"

EINN to ORBI. A big jump!

Best of luck:ok:

ISaidRightTurns 10th Feb 2011 00:48

...ISaidRightTurns is correct...

ALAS! VICTORY IS MINE!!!

divingduck 10th Feb 2011 04:15

ISRT
 
work out traffic count divided by number of controllers...then come back to me ;) And you were right...SoCal is an approach unit ;) One of those things wasn't like the others:E

Verci....actually it has been a jump from cold and wet to....you guessed it, cold and wet!
As a supe though...you are much less likely to get fired here.

Vercingetorix 10th Feb 2011 05:30

Hi Duck
the last published figures for the UAE ACC are for May 2010 and show a daily average movement figure of approx 1750 per day, i.e. 638750 per annum max.

Last time I spoke with the ex head of the New York Tracon he mentioned that they had been handling 2.4 million movements per annum while the London TMA had been handling 1.2 million movements per annum.

Wet and cold = ideal conditions for a pint of Guinness.;)

Re fired meaning to lose one's job as opposed to being fired (at)!, I would agree with you there.

Keep the head down and good luck.

Cheers:ok:

Quokka 10th Feb 2011 06:37

Workload and Movements are related but two distinctly different measurements.

Give a controller a RADAR longitudinal separation standard of 40NM and a 2000FT vertical separation standard (not approved for RVSM) and adjacent FIRs who don't like you and therefore won't talk to you let-alone help you, coupled with equipment that is less-than-reliable... and then you'll understand the workload comparison. It has little to do with Total Movements.

Balad ACC does not have the "luxury" of Air Traffic Control that controllers in the West take for granted.

Vercingetorix 10th Feb 2011 07:07

Quokka

Nail, hammer, hit.:ok:

Mike_Retired_ATC 10th Feb 2011 12:53

I interviewed for the approach/tower positions and was told that the salary is $170,000 US, rotation was 10 weeks on with 2 off with travel bonus, and that you would live on the airport somewhere.

Compare this with my last contract in Afghanistan where we were rocketed or mortared weekly, Bagdad would be almost like a vacation spot, so I know if I receive an offer I'll accept.

divingduck 10th Feb 2011 14:11

verci
 
Ask your mate how many staff London and NY have would you? From my memories of UAE...we didn't have too many lying around, and a dozen of them were in the training school :)

Vercingetorix 11th Feb 2011 02:22

Check your PMs.:eek:

FoxtrotUniform 30th Mar 2011 09:58

Last Serco Baghdad advertisement has disappeared from flightglobal, apparently the offered contract has been good enough.

throw a dyce 30th Mar 2011 10:39

Still on Canso with Real Time Consultants.

Mike_Retired_ATC 30th Mar 2011 13:41

The last I heard was that Serco was looking for controllers for the Bagdad contract that were current in Radar Approach which eliminated me since I hadn't worked approach in the past year, I've been tower only since I retired.


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