Scottish ATC
 

Hi guys,

Has anyone heard owt about problems with the above- tonight?


many thanks

nitro

Not good...




Hope it didn't cause too many 'oh ****' moments for my chums north of the border.

<<The organisation said all aircraft had been accounted for and in voice contact with air traffic control centres. >>

Well that's a relief...... so easy to lose a few here and there..

This is the quote I'm seeing everywhere.
"The organisation added all aircraft were accounted for and in voice contact with control towers"

I believe an engineer selected shut down all radar monitors by mistake. I would have thought there would have been a fail safe choice like..........

"are you really sure you want to do this ?" :eek:

I also believe "bonuses were never compromised and at no time was there any danger of management ever getting it right" :}

thank god for that :D

At least the BBC didn't waste any more licence fee money chartering a helicopter to flog around under the TMA so Brian Hanrahan could say "I counted them all out and counted them in again" ! :}

i'm sure its a one in a million years type event , i'm sure its ok now........
hmmm better grab the mats pt 2 and remind myself of those backup procedures again
:E

<<i'm sure its a one in a million years type event >>

Yeah..... I've had a few of those. After one "frightener" I was assured that it would be OK for the next 999,999 years.

There were plenty of "chocolate fire guards" in suits ( without ties :cool:) milling around trying to pretend they were justifying their jobs.......... :}

hmmm better grab the mats pt 2 and remind myself of those backup procedures again

I've looked, there is no contingency, it'll never happen!:ok:

1 in million????

Try twice in 3 or 4 years!!

But nope, it'll never happen again!

Until the next time.......

It was fun on the other side of the fence too, at least we still had radar!

Will they never learn? What happened to the culture of safety?

FWIW somebody pulled the plug at Maastricht UAC back in the 1970s with similar results luckily on a weekend IIRC so no great panic from La Belle Étage.
It became the first study case on safety evaluation courses

I think this possibility for total radar failure (14 minutes in this case :eek:) was highlighted previously when the new equipment was installed and tested at PC.
No doubt "risk management" decided that there was only an extremely remote chance it would happen :uhoh:.

That went out the door to be replaced by a culture of business and profit management.

When I did my Area Procedural oral board exam @ Hurn in 1973, the first question Malcolm Lucas asked me was " why are we bothering to teach you procedural control when we're already going into a radar environment". Says I "so when the radar fails, we know what to do ". With a grin from all the board members , he said " but the engineers say that won't happen". I think I got several brownie points when I replied " that's what they thought at New York Centre until it dropped out last month!"
Funny how things havn't changed in 37 years isn't it ? :hmm:

Brings back memories for me Eric....

Hope the EFPS thingy still works when the plug gets pulled.. Within days of one move I made into a new ops room the whole place died. That is, all except the bits of paper we had with funny scrawls on. Those and some standby R/T kept a lot of people alive that day.

Malcolm Lucas 1973?
I was in the bar at the South Western one night in 1973 during my Area course; chatted to this pleasant bloke who looked like Alistair Sim the film actor. My b@stard cadet course mates never warned me who he really was!!

I assume that the regulators will be asking for explanations and maybe calling for heads to roll. We'll see how serious they are about safety now.

On the beach

Especially when it was known already that one mouse click could shut down every radar monitor in the ops room.:uhoh: