Sounds like a Blackadder episode.

"Baldrick (PB) this is the worst idea since........(insert worst idea of your choice!)

Surely procedural control is more work intensive than Radar....it is taking a step backwards and the inefficiency will cost the airlines money .. ...just what they need at the moment......

They'll be making you pay for your stools and headsets next :mad:

It wasn't that long ago that radar screens were mere 'eye candy' sat in the corners of the CASOR (for the yoofs out there, the bit at West Drayton that preceded LACC). To actually use it was viewed by some as being rather anarchic. :)

How the World turns. :bored:

Likely per annum cost saving to NATS of establishing procedural control over the UK FIR at night: £0

Likely per annum cost saving to NATS of divesting itself of 5 x "Safety and Training Managers": £500,000+

Just a thought.

Spot on 'lost the picture' . Really is difficult to be lectured on cost savings when we continue to create management roles that are clearly pointless and overlapping. When will senior management see that we dont need to be micro-managed to the degree that they think. As soon as the stm role was announced most people questioned the necessity of it and what , if any cost benefit there could possibly be. Once again we were not listened to! That mistake has cost Nats millions and could have easily been avoided.

Ahhhh now I'm going back a bit and being really picky - who remembers when LTCC management thought it was a great idea to save money by closing the canteen at weekends? Lasted about....oh a nanosecond or so, that bright idea. At least they are still consistent.

Wee Jock, retired, happy and out of it.

:ok::ok::ok:

Still Wee Jock,

Things don't change much...

The TC Simulator is located in CTC - the simulator staff and simulator attendees still work the same shifts i.e. mmmaaaooo.

However there are no canteen facilities for these people outside office hours!

Sorry, I'll qualify that statement - on a weekend, 2 canteen staff come in to provide 'breakfast' - when you first walk into the simulator of a morning, you have to fill in a form stating how many sausages or bacon you want them to cook for you - that's the extent of the cooked breakfast.

After breakfast is over, canteen is closed. No lunch or evening meals.

Sounds great to me! How about we swap catering arrangements? :}

Gonzo -

You haven't tasted the sausages :yuk:

I appreciate that other units have little or no catering facilities as well - CTC was just a (nearly) direct comparison to what Still Wee Jock was talking about.

There's a joke in there somewhere!!!!!

Operational Resources are not real people, they dont need food and other facilities.

In a land far-away land I used to call home, the ANS provider's management-types were rumoured to have the following saying...."If only we could get rid of those nasty controllers, well then we'd have ourselves a really great company!". :{