In my opinion when the economy starts to pick up Mr Barron, his cronies, and his New Liarbour paymasters will have moved on and the only constant in all this will be the workers who will have to pick up the pieces. I do have a vested interest as a pilot and as a regular passenger and I am not too concerned about world class atc system (nats spin) I have more concern about a SAFE atc system. What do you think?

DC10RealMan,

We know this.

It would seem the rot is almost too far in to salvage much...What do you suggest??:confused:

At the risk of repeating oneself.
1) I think that the members of the union/s should be more proactive and insistent in their demands to their representatives as in my opinion you are being lead by the nose too easily.
2) If you genuinely believe that there is/are potential safety issues or violations inform the Civil Aviation Authority either individually or collectively.
3) If number 2 is valid perhaps you should approach BALPA for a meeting as the pilots and passengers are the ones who will pay.
4) Raise your concerns with your management and keep the written records of the meeting.
I think that if you fulfil your moral and legal obligations by drawing attention to these deficiencies and still nothing is done then I think you would be justified in involving the press (Look what it has done for the MPs integrity)
I think that in the event of an accident you would a) have a clear conscience
and b) nats spokesmen mouthing "Our thoughts and prayers are with the families" and "Lessons will be learned" will not wash.

I assume that DC10RealMan has a proven track record of standing up and fighting for previous issues before he/she retired ?? PPP maybe ... or something even further back. Be nice to hear about the battles they fought and won.

Or was he just like we all are today ... all mouth and no trousers ??

Talloway.

You are absolutlely right. I could have talked a good fight with the rest of the nats employees, however when I worked for nats the issues were one of pay, pension, and other T+Cs. I would suggest that a more serious issue has arisen on this and other recent posts and that is staff concerns about cutbacks, morale, and its implications on safety which has not been a major issue before.

Any truth in the rumour circulating that Scottish were so short of ATSA's recently that massive flow regs were implemented and equally massive fines ensued ? Surely they cant be that short, or was it an "error of judgement" by some "manager" who was too tight to get overtime in :eek:

Probably the latter

Not saying its the same at Scottish as it is in the south... there seems to be personal o/time budgets given to line managers for the ATSAs. Wouldn't look good if they spend it on what it is meant for.:eek::p

Still .. if that is the case now they can use it to pay the fines eh?:ok: