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"Prestwick Centre will have a single licence for the unit".
What, including the 'Oceanic' bit, called Shanwick? :E

A competition will be run shortly in the company glossy mag, "Airway" or whetever they call it now to come up with a new callsign.....the winning vote will recieve an all expenses trip to Wonderwest world Ayr , or is it called Craig Tara now?.....the runner up will recieve 2 weeks in the Bahamas in the company of Mr Barron!!....

My vote is for Redbrae Contol.:ok:

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The callsign of Prestwick Centre is under discussion and will be subject to approval by DAP.

Is there not a different and unassociated unit that already uses that prefix? What a strange idea.

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Originally Posted by BDiONU

NATS apply to the Directorate of Airspace Policy for a unit callsign and DAP decides on what the unit callsign may be. ATSSD licences the unit to provide an ATC service using the callsign which they're authorised to use. The law to which I'm refering is the licence.

Ahhh, let's look at this, bit by bit. I always thought that and applicant wishing to establish an Aeronautical Ground Station proposed the callsign to be used. The CAA/DAP assesses whether it is appropriate and in accordance with ICAO SARPs and, if it is, will accept the use of that callsign in association with the radio station. As I understand it, CAA/DAP does not simply decide what the station callsign will be. This process seems to be consistent with the text on the relevant application form - Form SRG 1417.

When you say that CAA/SRG/ATSD licences the unit to provide a service are you talking about the approval to provide an air traffic service issued under the provisions of Article 100 of the ANO? Or perhaps you mean the approval to operate the equipment issued under the provisions of Article 124 of the ANO? Or maybe even the radio station licence which is not issued by the CAA but rather by Ofcom? None of which really are 'law' - I suspect what you mean is that the station operator must comply with the conditions of the licence or approval related to the operation of the equipment.

I have to say that I have personally seen dozens of ATC units which use a number of different callsigns, all from the same facility too. They're called aerodromes. Why, I've even sat next to another controller, as close as I am to this computer, and used a different callsign to my colleague - don't push me too much on the details but I think my callsign ended with 'Ground' and my colleague's with 'Tower'. My, when I think back, those were confusing days - having to remember which callsign to useand when. Mind you, I guess it must be OK because one of those mindless ICAO docs to which Lurking, one of your colleague I would have to guess, refers seems to be written in such a way as to mean that callsigns reflect the unit or service being provided. It's Annex 10 Vol 2 para 5.2.1.7.1 if you want to look it up.

So, I'm afraid I'm still a bit puzzled by this law you mentioned.....

New Shanwick Control (or shanwick)

As it looks like Oceanic will be the inaugural users of npc/pc/new prestwick/npwick/new shanwick shouldn't we just stick with that. After all, whats in a name?:D

What was wrong with McNERC?

Spitoon Your post encapsulates what I was trying to say in my clumsy way "what you mean is that the station operator must comply with the conditions of the licence or approval related to the operation of the equipment."
DAP don't allocate the callsign but can refuse to allow the use of a proposal, as in the case of TC moving South from WD.

BD

Did DAP get involved in the Swanwick Watch re-brandings then, or was that just an internal willy wave? :)

have heard a rumour that the NPC 'super' watches will not be colours like swanwick, but names based on tartans.... :}

The Ocean and the Mil will go across at the same time, Nov 09. That is the latest plan, no doubt subject to change!

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but names based on tartans

What...Black watch then....

hat coat sporran.......

landedout,
Apparently, they will not be called watches. To facilitate the integration of the folk from Manchester, the watches will become 'Clans'. :}:}:}

Will there be language training?

Apparently no one is going to Scottish from Manch, so it will still be called Scottish :}

Lurking,
Almost certainly. Key elements of the foundation course will include:-

See you (Jimmy).
The correct pronunciation of Spidean a'Choire Leith. :uhoh:
The Noo.
"And are there not two G's in Bugger Off"?
Will ye no come back again?
HOOTS MON, There's a moose, loose, aboot this hoose. (Apologies to Lord Rockingham's XI).
"Afore ye go" :ok:
The ICAO definition of a Tappet Hen.
Correct usage of the words Corstorphine and Cowcaddens.
HOOTS MON, there's juice, loose, aboot this hoose. (Apologies to Maynard's Wine Gums).
A short essay question on Tannochbrae.
And of course, the exact meaning of the often heard phraseology:-
"Robbie, there's been another murrrrder". :E

Lurking,
I think you need to look at this...Parliamo Scots?

Essential reading for any potential immigrant from Manchester to Scotland

Great Scottish Inventions, which include The Bank Of England and radar :E

SCOTLAND'S INVENTIONS

And

Scotland was a completely separated land mass from England in the days of Pangaea. They collided millions of years ago, and stuck together ever since, but their geological composition is totally different :eek:

How about "Preston Airways" ...

JD
;)

Those were the days!!!:ok:

How's aboot...PATCRU...Prestwick Air Traffic Control Radar Unit...:ok: