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I would like a Gulfstream 5 or 4, parked at EGCC to fly me and the people on my watch that I actually like, to and from our shifts at EGPK
That alone would cost less than what NATS lost on some houses in the TC move? no? unreasonable?

Why not club together and buy one between you all, a few AAVA would cover it :)

notared/northernmonkey1261

If you read the whole of this thread, you will see that it was people from MACC who first mentioned 'illegal banding' and 'the injustice of relocation'.

To counter that, I asked the question about the number of people who were at MACC on a second chance, and if they were amongst those who were now whingeing - yes whingeing - about having to move.

I am not talking about the negative equity issue - you have my full sympathy regarding that. However we continually get told about how unfair it is for people to have to move from MACC to NPC and it gets tiring.

As for the negative equity thing, I say again that NATS could be bloody minded about it and say the following

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"Houses are not guaranteed as a cash cow, there have been price drops in the past - you knew when you were posted to MACC that you would have to move to NPC which would involve selling up... You took the decision to invest in property, that investment has, (like any investment can), just gone belly up... not our problem"

I think it would be unfair and very poor of them to do so, but you guys need to start thinking abut what you want done about it now... MACC are moving, you are not getting away from that fact,so that in mind what would you guys like NATS to do about the negative equity issue?

I repeat

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To those who have brought up the very valid point about negative equity, what do you want the company to do about it?
Who will decide what, if any, level of compensation you will get?
How will it be decided?
Will it be a flat rate for everyone?
Will it be your purchase price with a percentage added on for each year since your purchase up to the beginning of the move window?
If so, what about the fact that different types of house and different areas sustain different growth?

Because there is a lot of sympathy on this thread from people who are not at MACC, but no one from MACC has actually said what they would like done about it (apart from saying the move is unfair - yawn).

You guys have a serious issue that needs resolving, however if you go at it half cocked and don't have a clue about how you want it to get resolved, NATS will bend you over and shaft you again.

You need to think of sensible ways of getting the shortfall back - see above - and also think about what ther company might counter argue with - see my point about different areas/house types having duifferent levels of equity growth etc.

The move is still some way off, but you need to start sorting this out now - otherwise you will end up doing what NATS is good at doing and that is firefighting at the last minute... if it gets to that stage, you will be buggered.

they can't do much, people will just not move

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I would like a Gulfstream 5 or 4, parked at EGCC to fly me and the people on my watch that I actually like, to and from our shifts at EGPK

Oh no not banding again:ok:

A Gulfstream (band) 4 must be less complex though, therefore easier to fly... :}

I was thinking more like a Cessna 150 :}

Gulfstream (band) 5 has more fancy tools and automation though?
Gulfstream (band) 4 is better value for money?!
Same licence required to fly both!!! :}

You definitely get more tools with a '5.
Just check out some of their posts on here! :}

A TC Gulfstream (band 5) unforunately does not come with all the snazzy tools and automation...

Band 6 for LTC anyone? :E

The problem with the biz-jet option is that you would suffer significant ATC delays on the return leg due to the third rate, failed controllers. :E

But we could buy so much more as we are waiting with our band 5 money!

Getting back to the original post......:bored:

Is anyone from MACC actually going up to SCACC when PC opens in 13 months time ? :eek:
Management must be scratching their heads as to how the hell they are going to man it, unless the rumour from my previous post which is the "backup plan" is true :confused:
http://www.pprune.org/4521663-post22.html

no way on earth is there enough time to delegate any airspace or sectors from MACC to LACC, why would they be arsed to learn it, why would MACC lads and lasses be arsed to train people on it.
never happen.

The same way possibly as Scottish were lumbered with N SEA from LACC and still get shafted when LACC take "sickies" at weekends dumping their traffic on the lads and lasses at Scottish, or so my source up north tells me:)

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still get shafted when LACC take "sickies" at weekends dumping their traffic on the lads and lasses at Scottish, or so my source up north tells me

Your source is talking b:mad:cks

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Yes, your source is talking sh:mad:te.

I can't remember the last time someone on my LAG was sick at a weekend. Comments like that help no one at all and quite frankly are pure crap. Your source is obviously bitter they got sent to Scotland.

For the record, I'm not laying into Scotland, just having a dig at their source before the s**tstorm starts

Yes he is rather bitter, probably wrong too :uhoh:

So it did happen in the past ?

What - LACC North Sea had sickness problems, sector closures and traffic being shifted north into Scottish North Sea sectors? Yes, but as I say, not for a while, perhaps even a year in my own experience. While it wasn't what I'd call a common occurrence, it wasn't what you'd call "uncommon". I'm not sure if the problem was just "sickness", understaffing or a combination of the two, suffice to say it did happen.

I beleive ScACC may be undergoing the same problem at the moment, and still management want to remove more from the night shift!