"G'day" VS AIP
 

"ABC contact Melbourne radar 135.7, g'day"
"135.7 ABC g'day"

So it's considered by many in Australian aviation to be etiquette, and by others as unprofessional.

I know many pilots who say it out of politeness, some who say it as gratitude for the help ATC has given and some who say it purely out of habit.

My question to the controllers out there is what do you think of saying a good ol' g'day?

It's better than saying "135.7 bye bye", which has been misinterpreted as 135.755.

I think it's fine.

I like the different greetings and they do not interfere in any way with safety when the RT around it is spoken well.

On an average day I hear "Namaste" "Salaam Alaikum" "Bonjour" "Konnichi wa" "Guten Tag" - as well as the appropriate "Goodbye", "Ma'salaama" and a casual "See ya".

There is room for both the ICAO-speak and the colloquialisms - as long as it is done safely.

The alternative is automatons. And we have enough of those out there already.

i recall a pilot-friend's concern at the standard irish farewell of "good luck". apparently it leaves flyers westbound onto the ocean wondering what controllers know that they don't.... :confused:

LOL yeah I know a lot of Irish controllers who say that, and I've even heard a few say, "contact the big boys on 124.7 adios!":}
Heard that on liveATC and at the local airport, all good fun! Thats the least formal handoff I heard but the usual "slán" or "good luck" or the good old "bye" is what the Irish usually say from what I've heard.

One of the controllers at Boston has been known to say HASTA LA VISTA, although he stops short of BABY! ;)

I love to chuck in G'day, and in fact some of us controllers have a bit of a joke about some pilots not reading back the assigned greeting.;)

But there is always a controller about every now and then who tries to stamp it out but I will always say G'day to our pilot friends.


cheers
Hamo

It must make for a real enjoyable day out if your colleague is the type to worry about saying "g'day" to ATC. :rolleyes:

I am ATC, I talking about the knob Air Traffic that is too pedantic and wants to cut out the greeting.

Cheers
FGS

Good point FGS, I guess I'll have to read back my assigned greeting whatever it may be ;) !

I like to say g'day, bye, see ya and so on. When it's busy..... forget it. Cutting back on the chat helps alot, but it's still nice to get a little cheerio every now and then.:) Sometimes I have to force myself NOT to say it as it is starting to develop as a habit.:oh:

What annoys me is when people make calls while chewing away on their lunch or dinner. Now THAT'S unprofessional and sounds disgusting!!:= and that's both pilots and ATCs, no finger pointing here........

Only in Oz
 

Seriously folks,
Only in Oz would anyone even care enough to post the thread.
It should, I think, be a good indicator to the morale of the troops if it was even commented on.
Although, in a previous life, I was once chipped for saying "The area QNH" instead of just "area QNH".:rolleyes:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember too many times when I haven't transferred someone with a G'day at the end.:eek:

If the frequency isn't busy, I think it's only good manners to start the initial call with "Good morning", and end the last transmission with "bye bye". What's so unprofessional about that?

noknead, shouldn't your post read everything twice, three times? :ok::}:E

HooRoo (almost silent 'h') is not for greeting; it means "bye bye" and yes, I say it a lot & read it back. :E

I say G'day to almost everyone, it doesn't bother me if the pilot doesn't say it back though. I don't use it when I am busy though.

AWOL57, Ditto.

Funnily enough, I asked the question when I was training in the college and my instructor advised that although not standard RT, if you don't say it and a pilot does and then you don't reply, the pilot thinks you're a git. This way, the tables are reversed (and although airtime is 0.5 seconds longer, there is one less transmission!).

Tootle pip.

on Tfer & inexpectation of STAR, just dont say "...GoAhead"
 

"ML Centre, abc123 , Go Ahead" ... this one drives me BERK. :\ Its not bad enough that there was some lame arse out there that first 'said it' , but now every 2nd freaking pretender with 10hrs in a FAR125 jet is saying it Too! There is NO FREAKING '...Go Ahead' to be suffixed to a Control frequ change when advised to change to the next frequ and expect STAR. Just dont freaking well do IT , and I will be able to save my company big bucks in cockpit glareshield combing as I wont have to bash my freaking head into IT! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Pleasantries on the frequency
 

I'd go along with most of what already has been said -

When there's time for it then the odd - 'Good Morning/Good Afternoon' etc is no problem, when it's busy then you won't get much out of me.

I have said 'G'day' as my 'Goodbye' pretty much all my ATC career and it's never been much of a problem.

What I do have an issue with, is when I either get called 'Ma'am' or I hear a colleague (one in particular was terrible, no names now but you know who you are ;):= ) saying 'Good Morning Ma'am' or 'Good Morning Sir' to pilots - as I say I have no problem with pleasantries, but when it goes over the top that's another matter...

G'day!

Well,

There is a very nice sounding lady on Singapore Radar who is responding to my best Black Adder 'Byeeeeeeee' at present.

Must see about a visit before we finish Hajjing :ok:

javelin: CAUTION!

Some people have a head very well suited to radio and not television, if you catch my drift......

Cheers,

NFR.

Haha luckily with a pair of binos from the tower we are often in a position to assess that. :ooh::cool::O

Sadly it doesn't work in reverse for them.

Yes it does. If you get close enough.

Cheers

Well, we need someone in Sing Radar to prove or disprove :ok:

Mactrim,

To date I'm one of those jack offs that says "Approach G'day ABC cleared to FL120, go ahead".

What I'm trying to do is make your job easier ( I am ready for the clearance, pen in hand ).

With a normal change freq and when going to be given a clearance/STAR, I believe it cuts an ATC transmission out, I.E. "ABC, Stand by for STAR" ( or similar, sorry don't have my jepps with me for exact phraseology ).

Am I wrong ?.

i also use in my rt when i am in shift Good Morning/day/evening ... and good bye/day/luck when aircraft leave my sector .. also on holidays i can say marry Christmas, happy new year ... or smth like this

I like my good ole'....."Tata"

Smoothie....:ok:

Head for radio
 

...and you my good friend NFR, are an excellent case in point!

Oy! I resemble that remark!

:}

Cheers,

NFR.

I always use "bye now" or in this neck of the woods "visu labu" unless it is mindlessly busy. On initial I will use "Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening", or the local equivalent should I know it.

RIX

I have usually found that the pedantic, have to be absolutely correct ICAO phraseology types hide behind their pedantic ways to hide the fact that they are lousy controllers, and that was true in what was, AMML and APPH in my day, and also in EGLL, EGCC, EGFF and London ACC. Did my 20 years and met quite a few.

I say nothing (Good day,G.day, good Bye, Bye-Bye........etc) even though pilot tell me on inital contact or leaving my frequency.

Do you think I am rude?

No, just busy or having a bad day.

Who cares really, we are nice to each other, pilots or controllers.
Pilots often greet ATC with a "hello" in that country's language.
And controllers, often return the greeting in our language.
xxx
Has been like that since long ago. At least on VHF...
On HF, we tend to remain somewhat more procedural, initial call etc.
The issue is not "being professional or not"...
Concentrate your attention to your professionalism in your job.
Not about ridiculous details as this is.
xxx
Chau... (South American Spanish for "ciao")...
:E
Happy contrails

I pretty much always use Gday when transferring aircraft to the next frequencies. Guess its become a habit after 20 plus years and take no offence if it is not reciprocated.
I'm not big on Merry Xmas when I'm sitting at work on Chrissy Day, I try to stick to just Gday so I'm not reminded of what I'm missing (again). Its like a plague, one pilot throws it in and then everyone else feels dutybound to do it so they don't sound like a miserable bastard. It dies out for a half hour or so and then someone else pipes in with it, and off we go again.

I listen to a fair bit of talkback radio on the ABC, and admire the hosts who are asked by nearly every caller " How are you" and never reply "Well nothing much has happened in the last 45 seconds since the last caller asked so I'm still good, now will you get on with it". Lots of self control on the ABC.