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Shimmer 29th Oct 2008 09:51

"G'day" VS AIP
 
"ABC contact Melbourne radar 135.7, g'day"
"135.7 ABC g'day"

So it's considered by many in Australian aviation to be etiquette, and by others as unprofessional.

I know many pilots who say it out of politeness, some who say it as gratitude for the help ATC has given and some who say it purely out of habit.

My question to the controllers out there is what do you think of saying a good ol' g'day?

letMfly 29th Oct 2008 19:30


Originally Posted by Shimmer (Post 4490936)
"ABC contact Melbourne radar 135.7, g'day"
"135.7 ABC g'day"

It's better than saying "135.7 bye bye", which has been misinterpreted as 135.755.

Farrell 29th Oct 2008 19:39

I think it's fine.

I like the different greetings and they do not interfere in any way with safety when the RT around it is spoken well.

On an average day I hear "Namaste" "Salaam Alaikum" "Bonjour" "Konnichi wa" "Guten Tag" - as well as the appropriate "Goodbye", "Ma'salaama" and a casual "See ya".

There is room for both the ICAO-speak and the colloquialisms - as long as it is done safely.

The alternative is automatons. And we have enough of those out there already.

The Beerhunter 29th Oct 2008 22:01

i recall a pilot-friend's concern at the standard irish farewell of "good luck". apparently it leaves flyers westbound onto the ocean wondering what controllers know that they don't.... :confused:

hit_the_deck 29th Oct 2008 22:52


i recall a pilot-friend's concern at the standard irish farewell of "good luck". apparently it leaves flyers westbound onto the ocean wondering what controllers know that they don't.... http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/confused.gif
LOL yeah I know a lot of Irish controllers who say that, and I've even heard a few say, "contact the big boys on 124.7 adios!":}
Heard that on liveATC and at the local airport, all good fun! Thats the least formal handoff I heard but the usual "slán" or "good luck" or the good old "bye" is what the Irish usually say from what I've heard.

Richard Taylor 1st Nov 2008 20:52

One of the controllers at Boston has been known to say HASTA LA VISTA, although he stops short of BABY! ;)

ForGreaterSafety 1st Nov 2008 22:36

I love to chuck in G'day, and in fact some of us controllers have a bit of a joke about some pilots not reading back the assigned greeting.;)

But there is always a controller about every now and then who tries to stamp it out but I will always say G'day to our pilot friends.


cheers
Hamo

ElNino 2nd Nov 2008 13:35

It must make for a real enjoyable day out if your colleague is the type to worry about saying "g'day" to ATC. :rolleyes:

ForGreaterSafety 3rd Nov 2008 06:48

I am ATC, I talking about the knob Air Traffic that is too pedantic and wants to cut out the greeting.

Cheers
FGS

Shimmer 3rd Nov 2008 06:52

Good point FGS, I guess I'll have to read back my assigned greeting whatever it may be ;) !

noknead 4th Nov 2008 10:17

I like to say g'day, bye, see ya and so on. When it's busy..... forget it. Cutting back on the chat helps alot, but it's still nice to get a little cheerio every now and then.:) Sometimes I have to force myself NOT to say it as it is starting to develop as a habit.:oh:

What annoys me is when people make calls while chewing away on their lunch or dinner. Now THAT'S unprofessional and sounds disgusting!!:= and that's both pilots and ATCs, no finger pointing here........

piniped 5th Nov 2008 00:30

Only in Oz
 
Seriously folks,
Only in Oz would anyone even care enough to post the thread.
It should, I think, be a good indicator to the morale of the troops if it was even commented on.
Although, in a previous life, I was once chipped for saying "The area QNH" instead of just "area QNH".:rolleyes:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember too many times when I haven't transferred someone with a G'day at the end.:eek:

Check Airman 5th Nov 2008 16:31

If the frequency isn't busy, I think it's only good manners to start the initial call with "Good morning", and end the last transmission with "bye bye". What's so unprofessional about that?

Roger Standby 7th Nov 2008 20:48

noknead, shouldn't your post read

I like to say
everything twice,

When it's busy...
three times? :ok::}:E

compressor stall 8th Nov 2008 04:47

HooRoo (almost silent 'h') is not for greeting; it means "bye bye" and yes, I say it a lot & read it back. :E

Awol57 9th Nov 2008 10:07

I say G'day to almost everyone, it doesn't bother me if the pilot doesn't say it back though. I don't use it when I am busy though.

Roger Standby 13th Nov 2008 00:08

AWOL57, Ditto.

Funnily enough, I asked the question when I was training in the college and my instructor advised that although not standard RT, if you don't say it and a pilot does and then you don't reply, the pilot thinks you're a git. This way, the tables are reversed (and although airtime is 0.5 seconds longer, there is one less transmission!).

Tootle pip.

MacTrim 13th Nov 2008 01:39

on Tfer & inexpectation of STAR, just dont say "...GoAhead"
 
"ML Centre, abc123 , Go Ahead" ... this one drives me BERK. :\ Its not bad enough that there was some lame arse out there that first 'said it' , but now every 2nd freaking pretender with 10hrs in a FAR125 jet is saying it Too! There is NO FREAKING '...Go Ahead' to be suffixed to a Control frequ change when advised to change to the next frequ and expect STAR. Just dont freaking well do IT , and I will be able to save my company big bucks in cockpit glareshield combing as I wont have to bash my freaking head into IT! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

britkit 14th Nov 2008 21:45

Pleasantries on the frequency
 
I'd go along with most of what already has been said -

When there's time for it then the odd - 'Good Morning/Good Afternoon' etc is no problem, when it's busy then you won't get much out of me.

I have said 'G'day' as my 'Goodbye' pretty much all my ATC career and it's never been much of a problem.

What I do have an issue with, is when I either get called 'Ma'am' or I hear a colleague (one in particular was terrible, no names now but you know who you are ;):= ) saying 'Good Morning Ma'am' or 'Good Morning Sir' to pilots - as I say I have no problem with pleasantries, but when it goes over the top that's another matter...

G'day!

javelin 16th Nov 2008 13:18

Well,

There is a very nice sounding lady on Singapore Radar who is responding to my best Black Adder 'Byeeeeeeee' at present.

Must see about a visit before we finish Hajjing :ok:


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