MXP Ground: XXX123, standby for push and start clearance.
My question is: Do I have to readback anything for the above transmission? or simply wait for ATC to contact me again?
Is it true that it is incorrect to reply "standing-by" every time a controller says standby? Basically my Captain seemed very irritated that I didn't give a reply to the above trasnmition, but my understanding is that ATC has neither approved or dennied anything and that I should wait for them to contact me. Thanks for contribution. |
This is different from being simply told "XXX123, Standby" - which means, "Wait, I will call you"..
You're essentially being given information and IMHO it deserves a "roger" at least. There is no official reply, but the controller is waiting for at least the briefest of acknowledgements so he can move on to the next task. |
If I tell an aircraft to 'standby' I expect him to say nowt, I'm APP Radar, but from Ground days a decade ago, 'twas the same.
Usually its because I'm on an inter-unit cold/hot line co-ordinating something. You'd be a right berk if you blotted out some vital emergency aircraft co-ord I'm in the middle of doing with a neighbouring sector (or for example in Ground's case ambulance or emergency vehicle requirements for an aircraft only 40 trackmiles or 11mins awy) with "standing-by ABC123". |
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There is no official reply, but the controller is waiting for at least the briefest of acknowledgements so he can move on to the next task. standby, means "wait I will call you", I am not a mind reader so never guess what ATC meant to say |
assuming the message was in reply to a request for push and start then I would expect you to give some acknowledgment if only to reassure me that you are not going to continue to ask for something I cannot let you do at this time!
although I would normally give the reason as to why not so as to clarify |
First of all, it is MXP ground, so nobody really can know what they mean :)
More seriously, as above, a straight "Standby" is clear - no reply, I'm busy. But with further info, as above, I would treat it as needing a reply, and then await them to call back. Similarly, with say an engine problem on takeoff, I might declare "C/S Pan x 3, Engine Failure, Standby" and I would expect no or little reply... (but bet I would get one!) not "The weather is this, contact XYZ, how many PoB". But "C/S Pan x 3, Engine Failure, Standby for intentions" I would expect to be acknowledged... ;) i.e. the Standby refers to a particular item that is being awaited, not a general "keep quiet, I'm busy" :ugh: NoD |
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Similarly, with say an engine problem on takeoff, I might declare "C/S Pan x 3, Engine Failure, Standby" and I would expect no or little reply... (but bet I would get one!) not "The weather is this, contact XYZ, how many PoB". But "C/S Pan x 3, Engine Failure, Standby for intentions" I would expect to be acknowledged... i.e. the Standby refers to a particular item that is being awaited, not a general "keep quiet, I'm busy" In the UK you would not get this problem as they would clearly ask you to : " Hold Position , and stby for push and start" Forcing you for an acknowlegment and not leaving any space for doubts |
Imagine if I have 8 in the APP pattern on my freq, surrounding sector hits the line with "details" of a possible emerg diversion, I transmit "all stations standby" in reply to the first "approaching FLxxx, ABC" so I can get the info and see if we are good for it.
What if I get "standing-by ABC"..."standing-by DEF" etc etc etc? Can I transmit "allstations, shut the **** up, I'm busy with something more important"? When Nigel calls pan...standby or just standby we give him some silence regarding his callsign. Ditto in reverse. |
Point well made Bill, still think in THAT instance it deserved a 'roger' at least, even a click on the PTT seems to be enough in situations where a 'roger' or 'affirm' are all that is required.........
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Bill - you can always say "all stations stop transmitting" as you might do if you have an emergency actually on your frequency.
In answer to the original question I also think that "roger" is the correct response. This means "I have received your last transmission" which is all you want to say really. |
A bit of common sense might help...if you hear the freq is busy,don t worry about saying "standing by XXX123"..
if the freq is not busy I would ,as a pilot,just quickly reply,at least to let ATC know that u got the STBY message... |
Yeah, good points gents, one and all.
I was just having a wee rant because there are few on the other side of the mike think that if I've gone quiet its because I'm doing the crossword. If I remember Uberlingen correctly, the German sector was trying to get to the Swiss sector to give him a heads-up about the events unfolding...but the lines were down. ...anyway, maybe I look doing the crossword mid-morning, whilst my buddies are slowing and stacking the tubes.;) |
All I'd expect is "XXX123"
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