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Gavin Kukard 23rd Dec 2021 09:17


Originally Posted by DavidBall1884 (Post 11159938)
Hey mate, got through. I did not get the March spots because I do not live and my preferences were not in the location they want people. So I got put into a "pool" and am currently waiting for a spot in the tower stream in my city. :)

Overall, good outcome. Did you hear back from yours?

Thats fantastic news! So you have an offer already? Also, did you do an interview at all?

DavidBall1884 23rd Dec 2021 09:31


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11159972)
Thats fantastic news! So you have an offer already? Also, did you do an interview at all?

Not an offer necessarily but just in the pool, kind of.

yeah I did an interview.

Allyjay 29th Dec 2021 00:59

I'm part of the mid-November group and got an email Xmas day saying should get some feedback hopefully by/on the 10th of January in regards to progressing to a short video interview..... goodluck guys

Gavin Kukard 29th Dec 2021 01:26

Anybody heard anything further? I got an email from Air Services just saying thanks for the patience, and that they will continue reviewing our applications from the 10th of Jan onwards.

Struggler 2 29th Dec 2021 03:12


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11161934)
Anybody heard anything further? I got an email from Air Services just saying thanks for the patience, and that they will continue reviewing our applications from the 10th of Jan onwards.


Yeah same with me received that email on Christmas day that they would notify me about the outcome on or after 10th January. so sit tight and hope for the best. keep posting as you hear anything guys.
Does anyone knows if we still have to do the virtual assessment centre day or last online testing was in lieu of assessment centre day?
Regards,


Gavin Kukard 4th Jan 2022 03:03

Judging by DavidBall's feedback above, it looks like this is all the testing we'll be doing I reckon. Waiting anxiously to hear some news.

Gavin Kukard 4th Jan 2022 03:12

Also, random question: Are there any other older blokes that have recently applied? 30+'s?

Struggler 2 4th Jan 2022 04:15


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11164847)
Also, random question: Are there any other older blokes that have recently applied? 30+'s?

Hi Gavin,

I am turning 35 soon. I read that 35 is not an ideal age to be ATCO but lets see, how would it go. I just do my best and hope for the same.

Gavin Kukard 4th Jan 2022 04:37

Yea I'm even a bit older than you ey :D Haha! I think older folks have some useful attributes to offer, things like life experience, resilience to stress, less likely to panic easily, more likely to be stable at home and work, etc etc. But yea I have read somewhere that very few over 40's (not there yet FYI) make it through the training, but some that have, have made brilliant ATCO's, so maybe we're okay!

Have you heard of any applicants for this round that have been notified they were unsuccessful?

Struggler 2 4th Jan 2022 05:50


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11164853)
Yea I'm even a bit older than you ey :D Haha! I think older folks have some useful attributes to offer, things like life experience, resilience to stress, less likely to panic easily, more likely to be stable at home and work, etc etc. But yea I have read somewhere that very few over 40's (not there yet FYI) make it through the training, but some that have, have made brilliant ATCO's, so maybe we're okay!

Have you heard of any applicants for this round that have been notified they were unsuccessful?

No nothing mate, I don't know anyone who has applied, only people on this forum. I am not so worried about the training my issue is to get through the selection process. I dint even think to come this far. let see, what's come next. let me know mate if your hear anything.

Regards,

Gavin Kukard 4th Jan 2022 21:47

Yea same, had a chat with TYFY on here too, but also don't know anyone else. Yep i'll let you know as soon as something comes through. Cheers!

le Pingouin 5th Jan 2022 15:02

One downside for older trainees is family understanding the commitment necessary during training and after.

Don't get too hung up on the age thing. Yes it's true age makes it harder in general - harder to learn a new way of thinking, harder to absorb and integrate the plethora of information and rules into a coherent whole, harder to achieve the right balance. And while it's also true that statistically you're pushing it up hill, the key point is you're being measured against a standard. You at 35 will have to work harder than you at 25 but maybe the 25 year old sitting next to you will be finding it harder, in the end it all comes down to how each of you individually performs against the standard.

All you can do is give it your best shot and keep on plugging away.

Gavin Kukard 5th Jan 2022 22:23

All good points, thanks!
Hopefully see you down in Melbourne soon :)

Oldbluedog 6th Jan 2022 08:12


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11165836)
All good points, thanks!
Hopefully see you down in Melbourne soon :)

I was 50 when I was accepted and started. Rare.

Gavin Kukard 6th Jan 2022 08:24


Originally Posted by Oldbluedog (Post 11166015)
I was 50 when I was accepted and started. Rare.

Wow thats very reassuring to know! Where are you based and what discipline are you in?

Gavin Kukard 9th Jan 2022 23:05

Yeah I read about that too. There were 140 ATCO's that accepted early retirement packages I believe.
Hoping for a response from them early this week already! The wait and uncertainty is killing me :D

DavidBall1884 I'm trying to reach you mate, have sent you a PM.

Gavin Kukard 10th Jan 2022 07:25

Okay so I got an email today with the invitation to do the video interview. Anybody else got one?

Allyjay 10th Jan 2022 07:26

I got the same email

Allyjay 11th Jan 2022 01:15


Originally Posted by Gavin Kukard (Post 11167881)
Okay so I got an email today with the invitation to do the video interview. Anybody else got one?

Hey mate.

The message system for this seems bugged, tried to reply to your PM but said i was out of memory, not sure of what to expect for the interview, i think its just answering pre-recorded questions, time will tell. Looking to do en route and head to Brisbane, actually looking to hopefully defer the offer if successful at this stage, not sure if thats a thing at all or whether they keep your scores in the system for a while or not.

Maggie Island 11th Jan 2022 18:39


Originally Posted by Allyjay (Post 11168304)

actually looking to hopefully defer the offer if successful at this stage, not sure if thats a thing at all or whether they keep your scores in the system for a while or not.


No harm telling HR when your earliest start date is and letting them work it out, as has been alluded to - they really canít afford to be picky with this right now.

Gavin Kukard 11th Jan 2022 21:14


Originally Posted by Allyjay (Post 11168304)
Hey mate.

The message system for this seems bugged, tried to reply to your PM but said i was out of memory, not sure of what to expect for the interview, i think its just answering pre-recorded questions, time will tell. Looking to do en route and head to Brisbane, actually looking to hopefully defer the offer if successful at this stage, not sure if thats a thing at all or whether they keep your scores in the system for a while or not.


​​​​​​​Hey man, ah okay. Yea not sure about the message system. I've heard that problem come up from a few others as well.

Best of luck with the interview! On indeed there are a few common questions asked by airservices on there. Normal stuff really, I've just never done the recorded type of interview before.

Let us know how you go!

Gavin Kukard 14th Jan 2022 06:07

Hey AllJay did you end up doing your interview? I did mine this morning, and although I think it went okay, I feel like I could have answered some things better. Nerves got to me a little I guess.

prodigal 17th Jan 2022 07:17

Long time lurker, first time poster. I just finished the online interviews and felt like I butchered it. Anyone know when to expect to hear back from them

Gavin Kukard 18th Jan 2022 08:44

Hey prodigal,

Sent you a PM as well. I did my interview on Friday morning and was a bit nervous myself, having never done a recorded interview before. Was a little weird talking to a machine. Anyway, I have no idea how long before we hear back.
I am trying to not let the uncertainty consume me, so grateful that I'm snowed under with work. Still checking my messages every couple hours just in case.

Wondering if the next contact will be a phone call, or the usual text telling you to log into the system?

Struggler 2 DavidBall1884 Allyjay you guys have any answers to these?

Allyjay 20th Jan 2022 01:37

Judging by a few replies in Septemeber about a week after the closing of the online interviews, which i believe was Tuesday, you get an email inviting you to a virtual assessment centre via teams. They may have re-opened the assessment day where you need to go to Brisbane or whatever, so an invite to the online virtual assessment day or in-person Assessment day is on the way for successful applicants soon.

JimS 20th Jan 2022 01:40

Assessment Centre (Virtual)
 
Hi everyone!
I applied for the trainee position in early October last year and passed online tests and video interview.
Now I'm waiting for early February Virtual assessment centre tests.
Has anyone got an e-mail about this will be held? I'm still waiting for it. Previous e-mail says someone will call me as well.
Really nervous about the exam tho.. Fingers crossed for me and everyone who is currently taking it and waiting for their result!!

p.s Does anyone has tips for virtual assessment centre exam or how to prepare it?

Thanks guys!!



Gavin Kukard 20th Jan 2022 05:04

Hi all,

JimS prodigal I emailed ASA a few days ago to ask about timelines and what steps remain. I was told that for our group (mid November application), we will have the results of our online interviews by the end of this week (i.e. tomorrow 21st Jan). She said to expect an invite to the virtual assessment centre after that if successful, which I suspect may be the same one in Feb you refer to. She told me that the virtual assessment cente will comprise of a group activity, an interview again with 2 assessors, and re-doing the online tests we've already done to confirm skills.

So I guess its still just waiting for news for our group, happy for you that you already have your good news!

What stream did you express interest in and where have you stated you'd like to be based?

prodigal 21st Jan 2022 10:19

Has anyone ever had issues getting the class 3 medical certificate? If so, what issues did you encounter and how did you fix it. Most commonly ive heard issues of delays. is there anything else?
cheers

Gavin Kukard 22nd Jan 2022 16:37

Hey all,

Just to let you guys know, I received an email saying that I have been successful with the online interview, and have been placed in a pool from which they draw applicants as the need arises. Next step would be invitation to attend a virtual assessment centre, but no indication was given as to when this could happen.

So good news all round! But now we need to get on with whatever we do I suppose until we hear something back from them.

Good luck and hope to see you guys soon!

A_Y 28th Jan 2022 03:10

Assessment Centre Invite
 
Hi all,

I also just got an email suggesting their interview maybe conducted face to face instead of holding it virtually. They havenít set the date yet but Iím guessing it will be late Feb / early March according to their previous email.

Now Iím just wondering if we do make it through the recruitment process, when will we be able to start our training? Any ideas?

Allyjay 29th Jan 2022 02:51

Concerns about the work environment
 
Hey guys.
I'm growing slightly concerned about the glassdoor reviews from current employees, many are saying the business is extremely poorly run, its not a caring environment, management sucks, senior execs dont know whats going on, unforgiving restructure and changes etc... - examples 1. "Poor safety culture, Poor people culture, No recognition of good work". 2. " LeadershipÖ. HA! What leadership? These ďleadersĒ couldnít lead themselves down a waterslide even if you pushed them at the top. Advice to Management. I would rather have my arms and legs eaten off by rabies infested lions than ever be within 100kmís of your rotten faces. Hope all of you quit, or even better, get done over in court." 3. "Poor management. Corrupt leadership. Bullying from everyone". Only 22% would recommend the place to a friend and only 9% approval of the CEO

Can someone who works there potentially shine some light on all the negativity online, is it really such a bad place to work??? i'm becoming slightly concerned as i said


Oldbluedog 29th Jan 2022 07:50


Originally Posted by Allyjay (Post 11176802)
Hey guys.
I'm growing slightly concerned about the glassdoor reviews from current employees, many are saying the business is extremely poorly run, its not a caring environment, management sucks, senior execs dont know whats going on, unforgiving restructure and changes etc... - examples 1. "Poor safety culture, Poor people culture, No recognition of good work". 2. " LeadershipÖ. HA! What leadership? These ďleadersĒ couldnít lead themselves down a waterslide even if you pushed them at the top. Advice to Management. I would rather have my arms and legs eaten off by rabies infested lions than ever be within 100kmís of your rotten faces. Hope all of you quit, or even better, get done over in court." 3. "Poor management. Corrupt leadership. Bullying from everyone". Only 22% would recommend the place to a friend and only 9% approval of the CEO

Can someone who works there potentially shine some light on all the negativity online, is it really such a bad place to work??? i'm becoming slightly concerned as i said

Iíd agree with all of the above.

Think old school RAAF morphed with Lord of the Flies. Start by forming an all male government department managed by old school RAAF, turn it into an exclusive private entity then add very well paid. Allow it to self manage. Immaturity and butt kissing is prevalent.

Poor behaviour has been rife forever. The treatment of women when they started in ATC has been a long term stain. Any variation from the ďnormĒ makes you susceptible.

Following internal and external (read federal legislation and laws) policies is definitely not a priority for management at the academy or in the towers/centres and HR. A good coverup and circling of the wagons solves that.

ASA is not accountable to anyone and it shows.

If you get in, trust no one and watch your back. Donít be quiet or outspoken. Donít mention any issues or ďweaknessesĒ. The grapevine is strong, hungry and extremely active. Your entire career can be destroyed because of something you wear, say or do.

Poor behaviour and actions by management are denied, protected and hidden through over 6 levels of management. You at the bottom are expendable as they close ranks to protect what they have. Incestuous is a word that comes to mind with how itís run and who gets each role.

Donít expect Civil Air to put you ahead of management when it comes to the crunch. Your poor ass will be traded for some larger deal being negotiated.

I could list endless breaches of workplace practices across dozens of areas today and still think of more tomorrow.

Itís a real pity as itís a great job in an amazing field.

Too many brilliant and nice folk get destroyed without justification. Thrown under the bus daily.

No bitterness or anger here, just honesty.

Iíd go as far as saying that the social schoolyard level skills required to achieve a successful and rewarding career honestly and morally are far in excess of the academic and intellectual requirements to get in.

Dishonest heartless grubs thrive.

Maggie Island 29th Jan 2022 09:41


Originally Posted by Allyjay (Post 11176802)

Can someone who works there potentially shine some light on all the negativity online, is it really such a bad place to work??? i'm becoming slightly concerned as i said

Look Iíd say that the negativity is justified, BUT it is a great job for those with a passion for aviation - more importantly, the guys and girls youíll work with in the tower or on console are for the most part a great crew and youíll likely make a lot of (positive) memories youíll never forget.

Yea the organisation has a long way to go when it comes to women/inclusivity in general for ATC/firefighters, but itís making (slow) progress. If you do a few quick google searches there are plenty of recent articles floating around from the last few years that will show you why many get disenfranchised and rightly so. That doesnít mean you canít sign up, dip your toes in the water and hang on for the ride if youíre having fun - then join all the other controllers a few years later in bitching about the frankly bizarre scenarios that management continuously find themselves in.

If youíre someone with an easy going personality who loves the idea of controlling airplanes Iíd say itís worth a go, if youíre someone with grand ambitions about climbing a (non-existent in AsA) ladder and making your mark in the workplace then you should probably get into finance.

In_Transit 8th Feb 2022 08:57


Originally Posted by Oldbluedog (Post 11176862)
Iíd agree with all of the above.

Think old school RAAF morphed with Lord of the Flies. Start by forming an all male government department managed by old school RAAF, turn it into an exclusive private entity then add very well paid. Allow it to self manage. Immaturity and butt kissing is prevalent.

Poor behaviour has been rife forever. The treatment of women when they started in ATC has been a long term stain. Any variation from the ďnormĒ makes you susceptible.

Following internal and external (read federal legislation and laws) policies is definitely not a priority for management at the academy or in the towers/centres and HR. A good coverup and circling of the wagons solves that.

ASA is not accountable to anyone and it shows.

If you get in, trust no one and watch your back. Donít be quiet or outspoken. Donít mention any issues or ďweaknessesĒ. The grapevine is strong, hungry and extremely active. Your entire career can be destroyed because of something you wear, say or do.

Poor behaviour and actions by management are denied, protected and hidden through over 6 levels of management. You at the bottom are expendable as they close ranks to protect what they have. Incestuous is a word that comes to mind with how itís run and who gets each role.

Donít expect Civil Air to put you ahead of management when it comes to the crunch. Your poor ass will be traded for some larger deal being negotiated.

I could list endless breaches of workplace practices across dozens of areas today and still think of more tomorrow.

Itís a real pity as itís a great job in an amazing field.

Too many brilliant and nice folk get destroyed without justification. Thrown under the bus daily.

No bitterness or anger here, just honesty.

Iíd go as far as saying that the social schoolyard level skills required to achieve a successful and rewarding career honestly and morally are far in excess of the academic and intellectual requirements to get in.

Dishonest heartless grubs thrive.

100% what obd said. ASA is a toxic environment in every area including the academy and management. If you're male and a bully or female and quiet you should be okay. I'm saying this as someone that still works there but I'm not sure why I do. I'm not saying this to put you off apply necessarily, but just to get you prepared for what you'll see.

Gavin Kukard 21st Mar 2022 08:32

A_Y I'm trying to send you a PM mate, but its saying you need to clear your inbox first. Happy to exchange numbers and keep in touch.

Gavin Kukard 27th Mar 2022 03:56

So I got my call last week to attend the assessment centre on the morning of the 6th of April. Fingers crossed all goes well. Looks like its a 4 hour session.

Hey A_Y I still cant message you mate.

Good luck to all doing assessment centres with me!

JWW123 29th Mar 2022 01:09

Hi everyone,
sat initial onine testing last week.
Recieved 3 emails for a further 7 online assesments.
I Understand i cant relly study or prepare but was wondering if anyone had any advice on the 25min "Radar Simulation" test.
Thanks in advance

Manfred Von Holstein 29th Mar 2022 16:36

Psychometric test at interview
 
I went to do my interview at a large training outfit in the UK 20 years ago or so as a would be commercial instructor. Initial interview was with non-flying HR chap, with a further interview with the CFI afterwards. Correctly surmised the latter interview was the more important. Given a psychometric test to finish the HR interview. Collecting my paper, the HR enquired "did you have any problems answering?", which in the circumstances seemed to invite a flippant reply, so stated "no" whilst giving the most extreme "nervous tick". The HR chap couldn't take a joke and grassed me up to the CFI, who could barely conceal his mirth. Got the job on the spot!

Later discovered that a good sense of humour was most necessary.

Luis Godoy 29th Mar 2022 23:40

Salary and Training Location
 
Hi everyone, I am new in the chat, and I would like to have some help as I am in the process but so far I donít have an idea:
How much will be the salary during training and after training?
It is a training centre in NSW?
If I have to relocate for training will I be posted back to my city?
Will they pay for relocation?
Sorry for so many questions but itís worrying me a bit this situation as this is my dream job ever not matter people said about it.
Thanks I will appreciate it if someone can answer my questions.

parishiltons 31st Mar 2022 05:17

Luis Godoy, demonstrating some initiative/proactiveness can be helpful to an applicant's case.

Pay is easily located on the Fair Work website at https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...r%24%24traffic

The Academy is based in Melbourne. Again, you can find this information on the Airservices website https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...ining-program/. Those posted to Sydney will complete location specific final field training there prior to graduating.

When you sign on you undertake to be sent wherever you are needed. Most are sent to the two largest centres in Melbourne and Brisbane. Every one can nominate a preference. If you don't get your preferred location first up, odds are that you will get there down the track if you persist.

There is support for relocation costs. Yet again, this is on the Airservices website.

Your biggest concern is getting accepted into training. If the Ts and Cs are more important to you it is indicative of misplaced priorities. Yes there are some rather bitter people in ATC, but you can choose to be one of those or to enjoy the ride.


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