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elcrusoe 26th Aug 2007 14:10

Hey Lon more,

Well the attachement doesn't seem to wanna open for me hehe just my luck right.....any other way to actually view the item??

Thx

Lon More 26th Aug 2007 21:11

Elcrusoe, seems to work now.

055166k 27th Aug 2007 07:16

elcrusoe
 
Short answer.....politics.
Many states have their own set of peculiar rules and regulations and the UK has more than most. The UK promotes a single sky in theory, but shrinks away from even basic implementation in practice.
"talk the talk.....but not.... walk the walk" as it were. For example, if Eurocontrol is such a good idea, and so many Brits want to be in charge and dictate policy and practice in Europe, then why does NATS shy away from full Eurocontrol integration? If one set of global ATC rules is adequate for most of the aviation world then why does such a small piece of airspace covering the UK have so many differences?
Same thing comes down the food chain concerning jobs.....a rather bombastic attitude of ..."we want to be in charge of everything but we're not actually going to do it ourselves". One globally accepted ATC licence with full recognition has always been a dream.......I fear it always will be......until ICAO issue licences instead of individual states.......and all states operate to the same set of rules.

Lon More 27th Aug 2007 15:25


the UK has more than most
I was told when I left the CAA (as it was then) that under no circumstances would I be allowed to return. They were true to their word as a number of ex-colleagues found out and they went non-state. A couple with no history with the CAA did make it into the system, however they had to follow most of the course at Bournemouth. A waste of time and money for people with some 10 years experience.

elcrusoe 28th Aug 2007 13:57

I really wonder what is the use of having ICAO?.......Since it seems to me everybody does there own thing...The only real wonder coming out of ICAO is most likely the 4 letter airport ident. But other then that wow pretty useless. I would really like to see them emphasize on the international more.....but that is my dream to be hehe. And yes an ICAO licence for pilots and ATCO would make the aviation business more of an open trade. After all the companies still have the power to decide who and when the hire people but it would be nice not to hear you are not qualified when well u have been doing that exact job for X years. Right?

A7700 28th Aug 2007 15:18

intenational buiness...
 
"or French goverment will give job at Cote Azur. The best places are reserved for the best nation sons and daughethers."....

No : we are a democratic country wich is ruled by law :If you want to apply for an ATC job at Nice Airport or Aix en Provence en route center, get the points you need waiting in the queue asking for this job by spending 20 years (at least...) in Paris, Reims or Le Havre....well known for their Mauritius look alike climate and no stressed way of life....

SINGAPURCANAC 28th Aug 2007 18:53

No : we are a democratic country wich is ruled by law :

That it is the point!But who made those rules and laws? We made it. Of course we set it under democratic procedures and now it is part of legal system. Just small sentence in laws protects our best sons& daughters. Among list of conditions for ATCO license in many cases all around the world is written:... applicant must have citizenship of our country.
If I would like to move I will move to better conditions. So if I work at bad airport , with bad climate, bad operational procedures and low salary I wouldn't change the continent for the same :mad:


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