Pierre,

I agree with your wording. If I remember corectly, that was the wording in Annex 11 some years ago.

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ATCO 2,

I am trying to think of a reason for an IFR flight operating normally in controlled airspace would be requesting to descend visually (below that applicable minimum safe altitude) but not make a visual approach. Are they going to wave to Mamma and then climb back up or regain a safe level later when the level is lower?

Regards,

DFC

DFC

Barcelona on westerlies. Radar vectors to the ILS often leave you a shade high if ATC bring you in tight. High(ish) ground on base leg means ATC cannot offer a lower level unless you are visual with the surface. By reporting visual with the terrain beneath (and obviously maintaining safe separation from it), ATC can allow you an extra couple of feet descent, thereby allowing a nice high speed, CDA ILS to be flown.

G W-H

gwh... no names, no pack-drill, but at a certain unit in the UK we used to routinely ask pilots if they were visual with the surface, and then would say "maintain your own terrain clearance, descend to.... ft"? We could probably get away with it because we were working in Class G (it might have even been before those classifications were introduced?)... but it helped get pilots in when weather was marginal IMC