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Dan12345 23rd Feb 2006 20:42

Great circles route?
 
Can anyone explain in plain english the concept of the great circle routes? :confused:

Empty Cruise 23rd Feb 2006 21:02

Shortest distance between two points on a flat 2D surface = straight line

Shortest distance between two points on a spheric 2D surface = curve

If in doubt about the latter, get an apple & a rubber band. If you wrap the rubber band around the apple, you will see it describing an a curve on the surface.

Thus: rhumb line = constant true track - great circle = changing true track.

These are the very basics - but hope it helps :8

Cheers,
Empty

green granite 23rd Feb 2006 21:28

more on this in tech log under isoganals and great circles

av8boy 23rd Feb 2006 21:46

I had some better graphics to help get my kids' heads around this, but can't seem to find them (the graphics, not the kids' heads). This'll have to do... ( I didn't have an apple or a rubber band, so I had to opt for this approach.)

Imagine Cathay Pacific is enroute from Los Angeles to Hong Kong. On a Mercator projection (flat map) the route might look curved, like this:

http://www.atcmuseum.org/cathay2.gif

However, if you were to look at that same route plotted on a globe, it might look more like a straight line, like this:

http://www.atcmuseum.org/cathay1.gif

Same route, different view.

I, for one, think it is magic.

Dave

3 slips and a gully 24th Feb 2006 05:55

great graphics and explanation Av8boy:ok:

This is an excellent thingy to play with...

Great Circle Mapper

stillin1 24th Feb 2006 06:34

av8boy

Nice one:ok:

SMOC 24th Feb 2006 07:17

And when you've got it, you'll be able to answer:

When does a Rhumb line = a Great Circle? :E

Dan12345 24th Feb 2006 08:07

thank you for the replies

Van Der Hum 24th Feb 2006 09:53


And when you've got it, you'll be able to answer:
When does a Rhumb line = a Great Circle?
The Equator? :confused:

Gary Lager 24th Feb 2006 11:07

Or along any meridian of longitude, i.e. tracking 000T or 180T!

DonDave 24th Feb 2006 11:20


Originally Posted by av8boy
I had some better graphics to help get my kids' heads around this, but can't seem to find them (the graphics, not the kids' heads). This'll have to do... ( I didn't have an apple or a rubber band, so I had to opt for this approach.)

Imagine Cathay Pacific is enroute from Los Angeles to Hong Kong. On a Mercator projection (flat map) the route might look curved, like this:

http://www.atcmuseum.org/cathay2.gif

However, if you were to look at that same route plotted on a globe, it might look more like a straight line, like this:

http://www.atcmuseum.org/cathay1.gif

Same route, different view.

I, for one, think it is magic.

Dave


Hes a witch!!!!!!

funfly 26th Feb 2006 15:21

If there was a VOR at the magnetic pole which radial would you be on if you were at the true North Pole?

BOAC 26th Feb 2006 16:18

The 361 radial

microburst8265 26th Feb 2006 16:32


Hes a witch!!!!!!
Burn him!

I'd say you are on radial 360, since your VOR at MNPole would have to use TN as a reference to avoid a singularity...

cheers

no sig 26th Feb 2006 17:24

But in practice, to avoid the need to constantly change heading, the actual route flown is more likely to be a composite great circle route, which is a tad longer but makes navigation easier by flying series of small GC's between lines of longitude which closely follow the true GC arc, usually at around 10degree increments. The heading between the waypoints being averaged out to a single course.

Empty Cruise 26th Feb 2006 18:13

Radial 180!!!

DOH! :D


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