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jack-oh 12th Jun 2005 11:54

As far as I can make out there are a few reasons for keeping SVFR but all of them are a cop out. Namely the requirement that ac can't fly VFR at night, which means that you have to invent something that allows them to fly visually, namely SVFR. Why don't you just keep it simple and say they can fly VFR at night and the whole problem is sorted. This is especially pertanent when the PPL has an add on for visual flying at night but doesn't go as far as requireing an instrument rating. This means that the CAA accepts the fact that IFR is mandatory at night but doesn't go as far as regulating that a pilot has to have any idea how to fly an IFR approach. Seems stupid? yes it does.
The other is that helicopter routes in Class A could not work if they were IFR so the cop out of SVFR is introduced. As someone said earlier, if you are that concerned with separartion and rules, just make it Class C airspace and all confusion is removed.

The problem within UK airspace will always remain whilst we cherry pick from the ICAO buffet. The rest of the world manages to sort these problems out whilst opperating within a known set of regulations. Whilst we in the UK bodge things together, confuse the hell out of everyone and then pat ourselves on the back for being flexible. SVFR is one example the other is ATSOCAS.

Johnm 13th Jun 2005 21:57

In the UK as PPL with IMC and Night but not IR I can only fly in Class A airspace SVFR so the Channel Islands zone would be completely verboten without it. I go there a lot in case you are wondering, usually parallel to N866 ('cos I can't go in it) and higher than the trislanders thanks to some decent Nav Gear.

To avoid being a burden to controllers I always fly VFR in controlled airspace unless the weather is completely hopeless (or it's gone dark) when I'll go IFR except in Class A where I can't go unless I can meet SVFR IMC minima in which case I wouldn't really need IFR (except when it's gone dark) .......

Clear as crystal as far as I can see:confused:

tubthumper 13th Jun 2005 23:08


which side of the pond is "this" side
Sorry, my goof. "This side" is the UK. :O


I work at a Class G unit (at the mo)
Going somewhere nice, Murph? As for the matter of "working" at your Class G unit, one has opinions....:E


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