The route won't become a fee run.

We will still have to pay the usual charges.

So where do you think the money will be going then? Surely not to NATS because you say thay won't need it because they will have sacked loads of people and ramped up domestic enroute charges. The exact financial details of the handover between NATS and IAA may include the IAA effectively paying NATS for a period but that is up to them.

The IAA have the radar, the personnel, the communications and the capacity.

Did I hear the London people crying when ScACC took over their sectors. No. Perhaps they were happy that safety and the customer comes first.

Regards,

DFC

Actually so do ScACC. The service is to be done with both Scottish and Irish radars. ScACC could easily do the service and I believe proposed doing so many years ago.

I have also heard the story that there will be no charges for the first 2 years so that does look like somebody is subsidising it initially. :ooh:

No comparison with the London airspace transfer. The overall efficiency of that airspace was much improved (delays down about 95%) by the move of sectors which London could not staff. The NOTA will end up costing lots of airlines money who never go near the North Atlantic.

Ah Findo says that there is no comparison!!!

So Findo thinks that changing a large piece of procedural oceanic airspace to radar control will not increase the overall efficiency or the safety.

Just how many direct routings do Shanwick give from 20 west?......lots to the next oceanic point but none to antwhere else!!

If one looks at the thred regarding pay, one can see that the term "whinging northern ATCOs" is used by other NATS controllers.

Seems like it is money money moeny as far as the northern UK units are concerned.

The last people to profit from such an attitude was ABBA and if you remember that you will know that was displayed half backwards....much like the whinging about airspace improvements here.

regards,

DFC

DFC your posts have degenerated from wrong to complete rubbish.

Anyway the debate may now all be academic. NOTA delayed for at least a year as the airlines are now beginning to question it's overall value now the true costs are being examined. :p